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Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27": $2300 [1] Core i7 PC with Gtx 1080: ~$1750 [2] = $4050 for a much more powerful machine and $150 cheaper + upgradable [1] - https://w

by usaphp 10y ago

Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27": $2300 [1] Core i7 PC with Gtx 1080: ~$1750 [2] = $4050 for a much more powerful machine and $150 cheaper + upgradable [1] - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1113579&gclid=CPyioser-c8CFYF9fgodcFwHUw&Q=&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C92051677802%2C&is=REG&A=details https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1113... [2] - https://pcpartpicker.com/b/f2qkcf https://pcpartpicker.com/b/f2qkcf

ewzimm 10y ago
That monitor is just under 3.69 billion pixels compared to 13.5 billion on the Surface Studio. It doesn't include the dial interface, the real-life scaling, the pivot mechanism, the color profiles, a lot more. It's probably the closest you can get, but not in the same league.
- usaphp 10y ago
  I agree, that's why Microsoft had to sell this monitor on its own, without that PC attached. Also I did not see any mention of pressure sensitivity on that Studio panel, if it does not have it - it's a major point to still choose Wacom.
  - ewzimm 10y ago
    The Wacom has the pressure level advantage: 2048 vs 1024 levels on the Surface. But with well-calibrated software, it should be enough. I'm not sure if people can discern 2048 levels of pressure, and I'm sure this device was tested on a lot of artists. Can't comment from experience but I would think the delay would be a bigger issue than levels (MS say they optimized for delay.)
    - mmel 10y ago
      That is a number beyond meaning for feedback to humans, like arguing for a 3000dpi screen vs a 6000dpi screen, they're both far beyond human levels of perception. From my experience of trying to eek out every variation in pressure with a wacom, 32 levels is enough. I'm not able to create 64 levels of varing pressure strokes, let alone 1024.
      - zc75 10y ago
        (It's "eke". Unless you've just seen a big spider!)
- ewzimm 10y ago
  Just noticed I said billion, meant million. Looking forward to VR displays with that kind of resolution though.
  - m_mueller 10y ago
    > Looking forward to VR displays with that kind of resolution though. In before Google releases the "Google Cardboard Surface Studio edition" xD
chokolad 10y ago
> Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27": $2300 [1] This is non touch version. Pen + Touch is $2800 which is a better comparison. That Cintiq is 2560x1440 compared to 4500x3000 in Surface Studio. and here is what someone who actually used both thinks about it: "Tycho asked me to compare it to my Cintiq, and I told him that drawing on the Cintiq now felt like drawing on a piece of dirty plexiglass hovering over a CRT monitor from 1997" https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surfac...

by usaphp 10y ago

ewzimm 10y ago

That monitor is just under 3.69 billion pixels compared to 13.5 billion on the Surface Studio. It doesn't include the dial interface, the real-life scaling, the pivot mechanism, the color profiles, a lot more. It's probably the closest you can get, but not in the same league.

usaphp 10y ago
I agree, that's why Microsoft had to sell this monitor on its own, without that PC attached. Also I did not see any mention of pressure sensitivity on that Studio panel, if it does not have it - it's a major point to still choose Wacom.
- ewzimm 10y ago
  The Wacom has the pressure level advantage: 2048 vs 1024 levels on the Surface. But with well-calibrated software, it should be enough. I'm not sure if people can discern 2048 levels of pressure, and I'm sure this device was tested on a lot of artists. Can't comment from experience but I would think the delay would be a bigger issue than levels (MS say they optimized for delay.)
  - mmel 10y ago
    That is a number beyond meaning for feedback to humans, like arguing for a 3000dpi screen vs a 6000dpi screen, they're both far beyond human levels of perception. From my experience of trying to eek out every variation in pressure with a wacom, 32 levels is enough. I'm not able to create 64 levels of varing pressure strokes, let alone 1024.
    - zc75 10y ago
      (It's "eke". Unless you've just seen a big spider!)
ewzimm 10y ago
Just noticed I said billion, meant million. Looking forward to VR displays with that kind of resolution though.
- m_mueller 10y ago
  > Looking forward to VR displays with that kind of resolution though. In before Google releases the "Google Cardboard Surface Studio edition" xD

chokolad 10y ago

> Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27": $2300 [1] This is non touch version. Pen + Touch is $2800 which is a better comparison. That Cintiq is 2560x1440 compared to 4500x3000 in Surface Studio. and here is what someone who actually used both thinks about it: "Tycho asked me to compare it to my Cintiq, and I told him that drawing on the Cintiq now felt like drawing on a piece of dirty plexiglass hovering over a CRT monitor from 1997" https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surfac...