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"The OP didn't say it was illegal, nor should that be the metric for deciding that such an idea is entirely distasteful and not something you want to associate

"The OP didn't say it was illegal, nor should that be the metric for deciding that such an idea is entirely distasteful and not something you want to associate yourself with." So it's distasteful that I don't want to associate with people of my own free will? Are you serious? "The fact that so many people on HN can't see the problems with mixing partisan politics with business in order to shame another persons views scares me." What scares me if folks like you that want to use force of another kind to obligate me to associate with people I wouldn't urinate on if they were on fire. Seriously, I would never work for the likes of Peter Thiel under any circumstances. I have my standards, you should too. "If this was any other forum such as a news site's comment section or one of those protests by inexperienced university kids then I would be more understanding. But I don't believe I can hold the people on HN or in the tech community to that low standard... they should really know better. Sadly the media feeds into this hysteria." Sorry, but none of that gives a moral theory of obligation for me to work for or with people like Peter Thiel. "This Less Wrong article has never been more relevant." I don't give two craps about LessWrong pseudo-intellectualism. Either present a theory that I'm obligated to associate with the likes of Peter Thiel or admit you have no moral theory or basis from which to obligate me or others to associate with those we choose freely not to associate with.

random_upvoter 10y ago
> So it's distasteful that I don't want to associate with people of my own free will? Are you serious? I wouldn't say it's distasteful, but I would say that it's comically oversensitive that you wouldn't want to associate with people just because of political opinions. There is no such thing as a wrong political opinion.
- norea-armozel 10y ago
  If those political opinions includes putting me in a mental ward because I'm transgender then yeah I'm going to not be your friend. That's just a fact of life. It's why I haven't talked to my parents for a few years because they were 100% opposed to me being openly trans or transitioning. Who I am is more important than making people feel comfortable around me. They're free to find someone else to talk to as much as I am free to do the same. Why is this notion something shocking to you all?
Nadya 10y ago
Separating yourself from people with differing views doesn't do either side good. It actively works to reinforce an "Us vs Them" mentality. Instead of speaking to each other, you speak past one another. Two groups unable to communicate with words tend to eventually resort to weapons to "get the other side to understand". On some level - I think it is fine to choose your social contacts. Taken to extreme, as many people seem to do on social media, filters your social bubble to only "Other Yous". I feel doing that actively harmful to one's self. Stifling their own view of the world and limiting it only to the parts they agree with. Nobody is saying you should go grab a beer with Peter Thiel. It is better to try and understand each other's opinions, even if you disagree, than to demonize or dehumanize anyone for their beliefs. The line between "Those people are violent and dangerous and I wouldn't save their lives if I could" to "Those people should be rounded up and killed for the benefit of everyone else" has been historically thin and often crossed. If they're such bad people, does the world really need them? It's an easy and rational conclusion to make if you truly believe it. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter and all that. It's better to understand the other viewpoint than to assert that it is wrong, simply for "being wrong".
- norea-armozel 10y ago
  "Separating yourself from people with differing views doesn't do either side good. It actively works to reinforce an "Us vs Them" mentality. Instead of speaking to each other, you speak past one another. Two groups unable to communicate with words tend to eventually resort to weapons to "get the other side to understand"." Kinda hard to listen to someone who thinks me being transgender makes me subhuman or mentally incompetent. It's a basic standard that you have to see the other person as a person first before any meaningful exchange is possible. And to assert it is my moral duty to make them understand is nonsensical. "aken to extreme, as many people seem to do on social media, filters your social bubble to only "Other Yous". I feel doing that actively harmful to one's self. Stifling their own view of the world and limiting it only to the parts they agree with." I've ranged the political spectrum more than most. From nationalism (with some racialist notions) to currently a Mutualist. I seriously doubt there's anything I can learn from the likes of Ben Shapiro when it comes to conservatism. Those folks are light weights compared to George Will and the late William F Buckley Jr. If I want to refresh my memory on conservative ideology I got dozens of essays by more competent people from years past to read. I don't need to listen someone spew an Obama birther theory to expand my horizons. "The line between "Those people are violent and dangerous and I wouldn't save their lives if I could" to "Those people should be rounded up and killed for the benefit of everyone else" has been historically thin and often crossed. If they're such bad people, does the world really need them? It's an easy and rational conclusion to make if you truly believe it." Yeah cause me not listening to a bigoted relative tell me that water fluoridation turned me a "tranny queer" is going to lead to people putting them in a concentration camp. In all seriousness, your logic is very tenuous as there's no evidence of a massive liberal or progressive wave of hate coming. I don't know of any mainstream liberal or even a decently read anarchist advocating for the extermination of social conservatives. Rather I read every day CNS or Free Republic or Townhall how being a "transgendered" is "dangerous and delusional." So frankly, I'm not gonna be friends with such people. Would you?

random_upvoter 10y ago

> So it's distasteful that I don't want to associate with people of my own free will? Are you serious? I wouldn't say it's distasteful, but I would say that it's comically oversensitive that you wouldn't want to associate with people just because of political opinions. There is no such thing as a wrong political opinion.

norea-armozel 10y ago
If those political opinions includes putting me in a mental ward because I'm transgender then yeah I'm going to not be your friend. That's just a fact of life. It's why I haven't talked to my parents for a few years because they were 100% opposed to me being openly trans or transitioning. Who I am is more important than making people feel comfortable around me. They're free to find someone else to talk to as much as I am free to do the same. Why is this notion something shocking to you all?

Nadya 10y ago

Separating yourself from people with differing views doesn't do either side good. It actively works to reinforce an "Us vs Them" mentality. Instead of speaking to each other, you speak past one another. Two groups unable to communicate with words tend to eventually resort to weapons to "get the other side to understand". On some level - I think it is fine to choose your social contacts. Taken to extreme, as many people seem to do on social media, filters your social bubble to only "Other Yous". I feel doing that actively harmful to one's self. Stifling their own view of the world and limiting it only to the parts they agree with. Nobody is saying you should go grab a beer with Peter Thiel. It is better to try and understand each other's opinions, even if you disagree, than to demonize or dehumanize anyone for their beliefs. The line between "Those people are violent and dangerous and I wouldn't save their lives if I could" to "Those people should be rounded up and killed for the benefit of everyone else" has been historically thin and often crossed. If they're such bad people, does the world really need them? It's an easy and rational conclusion to make if you truly believe it. One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter and all that. It's better to understand the other viewpoint than to assert that it is wrong, simply for "being wrong".

norea-armozel 10y ago
"Separating yourself from people with differing views doesn't do either side good. It actively works to reinforce an "Us vs Them" mentality. Instead of speaking to each other, you speak past one another. Two groups unable to communicate with words tend to eventually resort to weapons to "get the other side to understand"." Kinda hard to listen to someone who thinks me being transgender makes me subhuman or mentally incompetent. It's a basic standard that you have to see the other person as a person first before any meaningful exchange is possible. And to assert it is my moral duty to make them understand is nonsensical. "aken to extreme, as many people seem to do on social media, filters your social bubble to only "Other Yous". I feel doing that actively harmful to one's self. Stifling their own view of the world and limiting it only to the parts they agree with." I've ranged the political spectrum more than most. From nationalism (with some racialist notions) to currently a Mutualist. I seriously doubt there's anything I can learn from the likes of Ben Shapiro when it comes to conservatism. Those folks are light weights compared to George Will and the late William F Buckley Jr. If I want to refresh my memory on conservative ideology I got dozens of essays by more competent people from years past to read. I don't need to listen someone spew an Obama birther theory to expand my horizons. "The line between "Those people are violent and dangerous and I wouldn't save their lives if I could" to "Those people should be rounded up and killed for the benefit of everyone else" has been historically thin and often crossed. If they're such bad people, does the world really need them? It's an easy and rational conclusion to make if you truly believe it." Yeah cause me not listening to a bigoted relative tell me that water fluoridation turned me a "tranny queer" is going to lead to people putting them in a concentration camp. In all seriousness, your logic is very tenuous as there's no evidence of a massive liberal or progressive wave of hate coming. I don't know of any mainstream liberal or even a decently read anarchist advocating for the extermination of social conservatives. Rather I read every day CNS or Free Republic or Townhall how being a "transgendered" is "dangerous and delusional." So frankly, I'm not gonna be friends with such people. Would you?