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I'm sure the hotels will charge as much as possible, but since they pay taxes that assumably (since it was illegal) AirBnB hosts didn't, sounds like a win for t

by qdog 10y ago

I'm sure the hotels will charge as much as possible, but since they pay taxes that assumably (since it was illegal) AirBnB hosts didn't, sounds like a win for the City Government of NY. Just an observation, I don't really have much of an opinion either way. I currently live next to a couple resory rentals and depending on the people it can be between "not noticeable" and "Holy crap, I wish those drunk idiots would shut up and go to bed". Since there are multiple issues on all sides, they might need some zoning for "short-stay resort" dwellings, so people can choose to live in a possible party place or not. Might also give renters some piece of mind, ala the A ratings restaurants have to post.

hueving 10y ago
What happens if your long term neighbors are drunk idiots? I fail to see how term length is relevant since it's not like neighbors vet new long term tenants for alcoholism and IQ.
- 24gttghh 10y ago
  If it's the same person repeatedly causing a nuisance, I could see the Police paying more attention than towards a different person every night.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  This is something some people don't understand. Gentrification and things like it aren't only a racial issue. Sometimes you move into an area simply because the unemployed drunks and drug addicts can't afford to move there with you. I know I felt relief moving out of an all white trailer park into a suburban neighborhood. Nothing is worse that neighbors who have nothing to do all day but make noise.
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    Well, one could argue that automating away the jobs and producing those Unemployeds and then complaining about them, constitutes as worser. But i understand your point of view, i helped a friend to move out of a flat that was near a living complex mainly inhabited by collaps-cascading community members. Anyway, constructive criticism, how to prevent such self-destruction? Boarding schools for ghetto children, to avoid prolonged contact with negative examples and behavior?
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      Honestly, I'm not automating anyone out of a job yet. I work in pretty low level IT at the moment. Trying to start my own business. I don't know how you reach people like that. It isn't the majority of them also. Is it mental illness? Addiction? I don't know. Often they come from a long line of people who behave the exact same way. Cops around here jokingly profile on last name, "Oh, your Franks son? We'll be keeping an eye on you" and to be honest I can't really blame them. The best solution I have is simply provide a better ladder of opportunity for everyone. If people feel that they can advance in the world, they might actually attempt to do so.
      - Pica_soO 10y ago
        I guess you would need something counter cultury, that only they have, something like the equivalent in math/science/programming to HipHop. It would need brag-prestige attached to it and the pride of beeing better at it then those looking-down outsiders.
    - Grishnakh 10y ago
      There's lots of solutions: 1) forcibly sterilize poorer people so they can't have children 2) ban poorer people from raising their own children, and instead seize them and have the State raise them in institutions (like in "Brave New World") 3) boarding schools for poorer children (you mentioned this) 4) send poorer people to re-education camps to teach the "positive" behaviors and values Obviously, these solutions are not very palatable to most people. If you want solutions which aren't severe human-rights violations, there really aren't any, except subtle, long-term things such as maybe taking control of popular media and using it to slowly indoctrinate the population into "desirable" behaviors and values.
      - Pica_soO 10y ago
        Ah, the merry go round of crime and shame has reached the high point, where all the previous attempts are completely forgotten and requested anew. Three generations, and all the memory is gone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations Boarding schools would have to be voluntarily.
- qdog 10y ago
  It's about expectations, you might want to not live next to a rental. Beyond drunken idiots, unknown people coming and going, dragging luggage through shared halls etc. Sure, a worst case long term neighbor can be worse, but the average case long term renter is more desirable to most people. I am willingly living next to resort rentals, I knew it when I moved in. Having it foisted on mw would not be the same. And yes, people can generally do what they want within the confines of their property, it's the shared space or spilling in to neighbor's space that is an issue.
dogma1138 10y ago
Hotels not only pay taxes, they provide direct and indirect employment for a lot of people, they have standards to meet, they provide insurance for their guests and many other things. Airbnb is no longer a thing where you rent your house during your yearly family vacation; people invest in properties specifically for short term rents. This increases the revenue from the property considerably driving up the prices further and in many places you see them buying up properties that no one would be willing to live there for more than a few days. At least in London it's not uncommon to see 1 bed/studios that don't meet regulations e.g. no white appliances, no kitchen, smaller than the minium size being pretty much dedicated to Airbnbesque type renting. These flats are often purposely developed from larger properties to be split up as much as possible while still technically being classified as an apartment. This puts even more stress on both the rent and buy prices in a city which is already driven beyond any reason this isn't a bubble anymore this is some goddamn superdimensional membrane manifold. Why rent a flat to some one for 300GPB a week when you can get 600+ from Airbnbers that won't complain that there isn't a dryer and a washing machine, a dishwasher that the heating isn't good and the shower is moldy.
- CPLX 10y ago
  > Hotels not only pay taxes, they provide direct and indirect employment for a lot of people, they have standards to meet, they provide insurance for their guests and many other things. And they can be held accountable for the behavior of their guests and their effect on their neighbors. That is a big deal.
- chris_7 10y ago
  Do appliances in London need to be white? Or does that mean something else? I can't find anything on Google for "london white appliances", other than places to buy white appliances in London.
  - sveiss 10y ago
    "White goods" is a British English phrase for major household appliances (fridge/freezer, washing machine, tumble dryer etc). "White appliances" seems to be a slight corruption of that. White goods don't have to be white, but it is still the most common colour.
linkregister 10y ago
I've never used Airbnb in NYC, but I have paid some kind of "hotel tax" on the invoice when staying in Canadian cities. Also their hotel registration form was prominently posted. n=2
- ghaff 10y ago
  To be only slightly facetious, the key word is "Canadian." I think the one and only time that someone has not only asked permission to use one of my photos posted on Flickr but actually insisted on paying for it, it was a Canadian magazine :-)

by qdog 10y ago

hueving 10y ago

What happens if your long term neighbors are drunk idiots? I fail to see how term length is relevant since it's not like neighbors vet new long term tenants for alcoholism and IQ.

24gttghh 10y ago
If it's the same person repeatedly causing a nuisance, I could see the Police paying more attention than towards a different person every night.
cmdrfred 10y ago
This is something some people don't understand. Gentrification and things like it aren't only a racial issue. Sometimes you move into an area simply because the unemployed drunks and drug addicts can't afford to move there with you. I know I felt relief moving out of an all white trailer park into a suburban neighborhood. Nothing is worse that neighbors who have nothing to do all day but make noise.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  Well, one could argue that automating away the jobs and producing those Unemployeds and then complaining about them, constitutes as worser. But i understand your point of view, i helped a friend to move out of a flat that was near a living complex mainly inhabited by collaps-cascading community members. Anyway, constructive criticism, how to prevent such self-destruction? Boarding schools for ghetto children, to avoid prolonged contact with negative examples and behavior?
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    Honestly, I'm not automating anyone out of a job yet. I work in pretty low level IT at the moment. Trying to start my own business. I don't know how you reach people like that. It isn't the majority of them also. Is it mental illness? Addiction? I don't know. Often they come from a long line of people who behave the exact same way. Cops around here jokingly profile on last name, "Oh, your Franks son? We'll be keeping an eye on you" and to be honest I can't really blame them. The best solution I have is simply provide a better ladder of opportunity for everyone. If people feel that they can advance in the world, they might actually attempt to do so.
    - Pica_soO 10y ago
      I guess you would need something counter cultury, that only they have, something like the equivalent in math/science/programming to HipHop. It would need brag-prestige attached to it and the pride of beeing better at it then those looking-down outsiders.
  - Grishnakh 10y ago
    There's lots of solutions: 1) forcibly sterilize poorer people so they can't have children 2) ban poorer people from raising their own children, and instead seize them and have the State raise them in institutions (like in "Brave New World") 3) boarding schools for poorer children (you mentioned this) 4) send poorer people to re-education camps to teach the "positive" behaviors and values Obviously, these solutions are not very palatable to most people. If you want solutions which aren't severe human-rights violations, there really aren't any, except subtle, long-term things such as maybe taking control of popular media and using it to slowly indoctrinate the population into "desirable" behaviors and values.
    - Pica_soO 10y ago
      Ah, the merry go round of crime and shame has reached the high point, where all the previous attempts are completely forgotten and requested anew. Three generations, and all the memory is gone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations Boarding schools would have to be voluntarily.
qdog 10y ago
It's about expectations, you might want to not live next to a rental. Beyond drunken idiots, unknown people coming and going, dragging luggage through shared halls etc. Sure, a worst case long term neighbor can be worse, but the average case long term renter is more desirable to most people. I am willingly living next to resort rentals, I knew it when I moved in. Having it foisted on mw would not be the same. And yes, people can generally do what they want within the confines of their property, it's the shared space or spilling in to neighbor's space that is an issue.

dogma1138 10y ago

Hotels not only pay taxes, they provide direct and indirect employment for a lot of people, they have standards to meet, they provide insurance for their guests and many other things. Airbnb is no longer a thing where you rent your house during your yearly family vacation; people invest in properties specifically for short term rents. This increases the revenue from the property considerably driving up the prices further and in many places you see them buying up properties that no one would be willing to live there for more than a few days. At least in London it's not uncommon to see 1 bed/studios that don't meet regulations e.g. no white appliances, no kitchen, smaller than the minium size being pretty much dedicated to Airbnbesque type renting. These flats are often purposely developed from larger properties to be split up as much as possible while still technically being classified as an apartment. This puts even more stress on both the rent and buy prices in a city which is already driven beyond any reason this isn't a bubble anymore this is some goddamn superdimensional membrane manifold. Why rent a flat to some one for 300GPB a week when you can get 600+ from Airbnbers that won't complain that there isn't a dryer and a washing machine, a dishwasher that the heating isn't good and the shower is moldy.

CPLX 10y ago
> Hotels not only pay taxes, they provide direct and indirect employment for a lot of people, they have standards to meet, they provide insurance for their guests and many other things. And they can be held accountable for the behavior of their guests and their effect on their neighbors. That is a big deal.
chris_7 10y ago
Do appliances in London need to be white? Or does that mean something else? I can't find anything on Google for "london white appliances", other than places to buy white appliances in London.
- sveiss 10y ago
  "White goods" is a British English phrase for major household appliances (fridge/freezer, washing machine, tumble dryer etc). "White appliances" seems to be a slight corruption of that. White goods don't have to be white, but it is still the most common colour.

linkregister 10y ago

I've never used Airbnb in NYC, but I have paid some kind of "hotel tax" on the invoice when staying in Canadian cities. Also their hotel registration form was prominently posted. n=2

ghaff 10y ago
To be only slightly facetious, the key word is "Canadian." I think the one and only time that someone has not only asked permission to use one of my photos posted on Flickr but actually insisted on paying for it, it was a Canadian magazine :-)