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"The screen. Clearly that is the thing which makes this announcement. For me, the 3:2 aspect ratio is so more reasonable for computers than 16:9. And having a z

by rsync 10y ago

"The screen. Clearly that is the thing which makes this announcement. For me, the 3:2 aspect ratio is so more reasonable for computers than 16:9. And having a zillion pixels is wonderful although my CAD package (TurboCAD) still doesn't deal well with the high DPI screen off the Surface Book, I'm sure it would look silly on this machine." It may interest you to know that there is a reasonably priced 1:1 aspect ratio monitor available for purchase on amazon: EIZO FlexScan EV2730QFX 26.5" Square IPS Monitor 1920x1920 (EV2730QFX-BK) I bought one to tinker with.

detaro 10y ago
~33% more expensive than an Eizo FlexScan that has the same amount of pixels in 16:9. Not really unreasonable, I agree, but still painful.
- rsync 10y ago
  It's square! Do you know what 1:1 ratio monitors (almost exclusively used for air traffic control) cost ? I think $8-10k IIRC ?
  - detaro 10y ago
    Yes, I know that all alternatives are a lot more expensive. On the other hand, you could buy a 34" 4k screen and tape over the sides to get it to 1:1 for a similar price ;) (really, I'm only slightly annoyed because I'd love to have a bunch of those on the walls as picture frames, but can't afford it)
  - Casseres 10y ago
    ATC here, our Tech Ops people say 20k. They are 2048x2048.
- heartbreak 10y ago
  1:1 is commonly used in medical imagery and other industrial applications, and for their sales numbers probably not a whole lot else. That's likely why the price is higher. Take a look here and notice the high count of 1:1 displays: http://www.necdisplay.com/category/medical-diagnostic-displays http://www.necdisplay.com/category/medical-diagnostic-displa...
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Medical displays are 5:4 or 4:3 as standard (ISO 9241 and 130something) they aren't 1:1.
ChuckMcM 10y ago
That is pretty cool. Oddly enough something I've been thinking about would be a high dpi "ribbon" screen, something that is perhaps 14 - 16" wide by 3 - 4" tall. To sit just behind my nice mechanical keyboard. That screen would have application specific tool bars with large icons and easy to tweak controls (sliders, buttons, etc). That would allow me to give over my "big" display to the project workspace, whether it was a circuit, MCAD design, or illustration. The "special sauce" being that I could render to it as a screen and it would have multi-touch capable gestures for the controls. I prototyped some of that with a mimo 10" touchscreen[1] but in my vision touching a control on the 'ribbon' screen doesn't steal the mouse pointer :-). I've been playing lately with some ST Micro 32 bit parts that can drive a display and use BT LE to communicate back to the PC. It may be possible to "download" control panels to the screen and then get the feedback through a BTLE handler rather than trying so somehow hook the event handler of a standard App and have it take control selection events from this screen/non-screen entity. So if you find a long and narrow high DPI screen, DVI, MPI, or even VGA driven would be ok. And a capacitive touch layer, I'd love to get one of those to play with. [1] https://www.mimomonitors.com/collections/10-inch-monitors https://www.mimomonitors.com/collections/10-inch-monitors
- rsync 10y ago
  These exist and they are called "bar type displays" and are usually used for gate information in train terminals. NEC has a fairly inexpensive one that you can buy on amazon for $675[1]: Nec Display Multisync X431bt Digital Signage Display ... however the resolution is relatively low - 1920x480 There are others that are in the 4k range but I can't find the link right now ... [1] http://www.necdisplay.com/p/large-screen-displays/x431bt?type=support http://www.necdisplay.com/p/large-screen-displays/x431bt?typ...
  - ChuckMcM 10y ago
    That NEC display is nearly 4 feet long. I am thinking the same width as a full size keyboard so on the order of 15 - 18". 1920 x 480 would be ok for a display that was 18" wide and 4" tall. Although I'd prefer it be 3450 x 768 (192 dpi)
rbanffy 10y ago
$1K is still a bit painful to be able to place 8 of them, grouped in 2 2x2's with a camera in the middle. It's still an order of magnitude less than doing that with 2048x2048 ATC displays... Maybe we could do a Kickstarter or something to make a batch of 1920x1920 screens. Maybe we can even start a fashion - square is the new widescreen.
odbol_ 10y ago
Why not just tape over the sides of a normal monitor?

by rsync 10y ago

detaro 10y ago

~33% more expensive than an Eizo FlexScan that has the same amount of pixels in 16:9. Not really unreasonable, I agree, but still painful.

rsync 10y ago
It's square! Do you know what 1:1 ratio monitors (almost exclusively used for air traffic control) cost ? I think $8-10k IIRC ?
- detaro 10y ago
  Yes, I know that all alternatives are a lot more expensive. On the other hand, you could buy a 34" 4k screen and tape over the sides to get it to 1:1 for a similar price ;) (really, I'm only slightly annoyed because I'd love to have a bunch of those on the walls as picture frames, but can't afford it)
- Casseres 10y ago
  ATC here, our Tech Ops people say 20k. They are 2048x2048.
heartbreak 10y ago
1:1 is commonly used in medical imagery and other industrial applications, and for their sales numbers probably not a whole lot else. That's likely why the price is higher. Take a look here and notice the high count of 1:1 displays: http://www.necdisplay.com/category/medical-diagnostic-displays http://www.necdisplay.com/category/medical-diagnostic-displa...
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Medical displays are 5:4 or 4:3 as standard (ISO 9241 and 130something) they aren't 1:1.

ChuckMcM 10y ago

That is pretty cool. Oddly enough something I've been thinking about would be a high dpi "ribbon" screen, something that is perhaps 14 - 16" wide by 3 - 4" tall. To sit just behind my nice mechanical keyboard. That screen would have application specific tool bars with large icons and easy to tweak controls (sliders, buttons, etc). That would allow me to give over my "big" display to the project workspace, whether it was a circuit, MCAD design, or illustration. The "special sauce" being that I could render to it as a screen and it would have multi-touch capable gestures for the controls. I prototyped some of that with a mimo 10" touchscreen[1] but in my vision touching a control on the 'ribbon' screen doesn't steal the mouse pointer :-). I've been playing lately with some ST Micro 32 bit parts that can drive a display and use BT LE to communicate back to the PC. It may be possible to "download" control panels to the screen and then get the feedback through a BTLE handler rather than trying so somehow hook the event handler of a standard App and have it take control selection events from this screen/non-screen entity. So if you find a long and narrow high DPI screen, DVI, MPI, or even VGA driven would be ok. And a capacitive touch layer, I'd love to get one of those to play with. [1] https://www.mimomonitors.com/collections/10-inch-monitors https://www.mimomonitors.com/collections/10-inch-monitors

rsync 10y ago
These exist and they are called "bar type displays" and are usually used for gate information in train terminals. NEC has a fairly inexpensive one that you can buy on amazon for $675[1]: Nec Display Multisync X431bt Digital Signage Display ... however the resolution is relatively low - 1920x480 There are others that are in the 4k range but I can't find the link right now ... [1] http://www.necdisplay.com/p/large-screen-displays/x431bt?type=support http://www.necdisplay.com/p/large-screen-displays/x431bt?typ...
- ChuckMcM 10y ago
  That NEC display is nearly 4 feet long. I am thinking the same width as a full size keyboard so on the order of 15 - 18". 1920 x 480 would be ok for a display that was 18" wide and 4" tall. Although I'd prefer it be 3450 x 768 (192 dpi)

rbanffy 10y ago

$1K is still a bit painful to be able to place 8 of them, grouped in 2 2x2's with a camera in the middle. It's still an order of magnitude less than doing that with 2048x2048 ATC displays... Maybe we could do a Kickstarter or something to make a batch of 1920x1920 screens. Maybe we can even start a fashion - square is the new widescreen.

odbol_ 10y ago

Why not just tape over the sides of a normal monitor?