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Still trying to mimic Apple.

by dmfdmf 10y ago

guelo 10y ago
Products Apple doesn't have: a big touch-screen desktop, a touch-screen laptop with detachable keyboard, that weird puck thing
- iLoch 10y ago
  Has Apple announced a holographic computer yet? :)
- masklinn 10y ago
  > that weird puck thing Hey! Apple has the One True Weird Puck Thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_USB_Mouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_USB_Mouse
- drusepth 10y ago
  >that weird puck thing Belkin makes them. They are continuous and have a pushbutton. They're like $130 or something ridiculous. I've only ever used them for tuning around in a software defined radio, but a lot of music/video editors use them as jog dials.
zamalek 10y ago
Microsoft's diversity message is the exact opposite of Apple's sameness execution.
marsrover 10y ago
Apple is often worth being mimicked and when it comes to form factor, doubly so. However, I think this comment is shortsighted and completely devalues everything Microsoft is coming out with lately. They have added things to their products that Apple has yet to add, and they're making innovative jumps that Apple is scared to make.
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  I agree, this is the best thing I've seen from Microsoft in a long while. They're not comparing themselves to Apple, they're moving in their own direction, they have a focus, and they have innovation to support that focus. These products do not look like me-toos!
mamon 10y ago
They have surpassed Apple a long time ago, with their Surface Pro and then Surface Book. The fact that Apple is rumored to remove function keys and include Polaris GPU instead of Pascal in their new MacBook Pros will be the last nail in their coffin. Oh, and Microsoft have just made their laptop heavier than previous version to increase battery life to 16h. At the same time Macs are getting "thiner and ligher" (C)
- grzm 10y ago
  "last nail in their coffin" What will failure look like? From your perspective, how would you measure the success or failure of your statement? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just want to know what you mean by this.
  - teh_klev 10y ago
    I think what parent meant was "last nail in the MacBook Pro" coffin, not the company as a whole. It could well be that building high-end laptops like the old school MacBook Pro's for power users is no longer worthwhile from a profit generating perspective.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Okay. That's valid. What's failure look like in that case? A drop in MacBook Pro sales? By how much? A measurable reduction in the number of MacBook Pro's seen at conferences? I guess I'm just pushing back on empty doom-and-gloom statements. I'm all for people making predictions, up or down. I just like to see them made with some kind of measurable scope. Otherwise they're not really substantive, especially when they tend towards the hyperbolic. I'm always looking for ways to improve my own predictions as well, finding ways to measure the accuracy of what I'm thinking of. After all, you can only improve what you can measure, as they say. And you can only measure if you have something to measure against.
      - teh_klev 10y ago
        It isn't technically a failure, it's could just be a numbers thing, though I admittedly don't have any numbers. If the upcoming new MacBook Pro doesn't set the heather on fire from a technical standpoint then I guess this is the commercially the level of hardware they're going to settle with trend-wise. I saw the same thing happen with Dell's high end Precision laptops a few years back. Once upon a time you got a full 17" 1920x1200 display and an outstanding specification that would almost match the power of their desktop Precision range. But then the displays changed to cheaper 1080p panels, the processor, memory and GPU offerings were less than stellar and that was that. They settled on new revisions that were good enough, but not the impressive flagship models they once manufactured. I think this is maybe happening to Apple and the MB Pro range.
plandis 10y ago
Good. Mac products are expensive. We need more non-plastic machined hardware!

Still trying to mimic Apple.

by dmfdmf 10y ago

Still trying to mimic Apple.

guelo 10y ago

Products Apple doesn't have: a big touch-screen desktop, a touch-screen laptop with detachable keyboard, that weird puck thing

iLoch 10y ago
Has Apple announced a holographic computer yet? :)
masklinn 10y ago
> that weird puck thing Hey! Apple has the One True Weird Puck Thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_USB_Mouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_USB_Mouse
drusepth 10y ago
>that weird puck thing Belkin makes them. They are continuous and have a pushbutton. They're like $130 or something ridiculous. I've only ever used them for tuning around in a software defined radio, but a lot of music/video editors use them as jog dials.

zamalek 10y ago

Microsoft's diversity message is the exact opposite of Apple's sameness execution.

marsrover 10y ago

Apple is often worth being mimicked and when it comes to form factor, doubly so. However, I think this comment is shortsighted and completely devalues everything Microsoft is coming out with lately. They have added things to their products that Apple has yet to add, and they're making innovative jumps that Apple is scared to make.

henrikschroder 10y ago
I agree, this is the best thing I've seen from Microsoft in a long while. They're not comparing themselves to Apple, they're moving in their own direction, they have a focus, and they have innovation to support that focus. These products do not look like me-toos!

mamon 10y ago

They have surpassed Apple a long time ago, with their Surface Pro and then Surface Book. The fact that Apple is rumored to remove function keys and include Polaris GPU instead of Pascal in their new MacBook Pros will be the last nail in their coffin. Oh, and Microsoft have just made their laptop heavier than previous version to increase battery life to 16h. At the same time Macs are getting "thiner and ligher" (C)

grzm 10y ago
"last nail in their coffin" What will failure look like? From your perspective, how would you measure the success or failure of your statement? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just want to know what you mean by this.
- teh_klev 10y ago
  I think what parent meant was "last nail in the MacBook Pro" coffin, not the company as a whole. It could well be that building high-end laptops like the old school MacBook Pro's for power users is no longer worthwhile from a profit generating perspective.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Okay. That's valid. What's failure look like in that case? A drop in MacBook Pro sales? By how much? A measurable reduction in the number of MacBook Pro's seen at conferences? I guess I'm just pushing back on empty doom-and-gloom statements. I'm all for people making predictions, up or down. I just like to see them made with some kind of measurable scope. Otherwise they're not really substantive, especially when they tend towards the hyperbolic. I'm always looking for ways to improve my own predictions as well, finding ways to measure the accuracy of what I'm thinking of. After all, you can only improve what you can measure, as they say. And you can only measure if you have something to measure against.
    - teh_klev 10y ago
      It isn't technically a failure, it's could just be a numbers thing, though I admittedly don't have any numbers. If the upcoming new MacBook Pro doesn't set the heather on fire from a technical standpoint then I guess this is the commercially the level of hardware they're going to settle with trend-wise. I saw the same thing happen with Dell's high end Precision laptops a few years back. Once upon a time you got a full 17" 1920x1200 display and an outstanding specification that would almost match the power of their desktop Precision range. But then the displays changed to cheaper 1080p panels, the processor, memory and GPU offerings were less than stellar and that was that. They settled on new revisions that were good enough, but not the impressive flagship models they once manufactured. I think this is maybe happening to Apple and the MB Pro range.

plandis 10y ago

Good. Mac products are expensive. We need more non-plastic machined hardware!