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OT: This guy is a poster child of horrible ergonomics https://ncmedia.azureedge.net/ncmedia/2016/10/Surface-Book-with-Performance-Base-Lifestyle-web.jpg https:/

by singularity2001 10y ago

OT: This guy is a poster child of horrible ergonomics https://ncmedia.azureedge.net/ncmedia/2016/10/Surface-Book-with-Performance-Base-Lifestyle-web.jpg https://ncmedia.azureedge.net/ncmedia/2016/10/Surface-Book-w...

DiabloD3 10y ago
Chair is too high, monitors are too forward if he has to lean forward like that (he needs glasses, really), keyboard and mouse are too high (which is why many desks have trays), and monitors are too low (neutral position looking forwards, the middle should be right in front of you), two monitors instead of three, the "middle" one of the duo not straight ahead, no mouse pad... So many sins.
- Tepix 10y ago
  The monitors aren't too low on the picture! It's bad for your neck if you have to look up whereas looking down is OK.
  - stinos 10y ago
    Source please? And does this mean all those people bending their neck over their smartphone are OK? I always thought (because of the internet I guess, and because it makes most snese to me) looking down nor up is the best, but just straight forward. I.e. computer screen centered to the eyes vertically.
    - georgemcbay 10y ago
      I'm not the guy you are responding to, but from OSHA: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_monitors.html https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/compon... "Place monitor so top line of screen is at or below eye level." I've very commonly heard ergonomics experts suggest having the top bezel of your monitor be at eye level which seems like it would be about right for the person in the photo if he wasn't hunching over, which is a problem but seemingly not one related to the height of his monitors. I believe a constant extreme downward neck bend would be bad, the idea is that if the monitor's top is about eye level you can scan down to see it primarily just with your eyes without actually having to tilt your neck too much, which is quite different than the sort of extreme neck bending I believe you mean when it comes to certain types of cellphone usage.
      - DiabloD3 10y ago
        I've seen the OSHA recommendation, but I don't agree with it. Maybe I'm just weird, but my neck hurts more having to tilt my head ever so slightly forward instead of leaving it neutral. Also, as a side effect, and maybe largely why I find it uncomfortable... it makes me aim wrong in FPSes due to perspective issues. I have mine where they are centered in my vision, and I don't move my head to look up and down, I just move my eyes.
neves 10y ago
But their new ergonomic keyboard looks really nice. Hope it works with other computers.
- mmcconnell1618 10y ago
  Tech specs listed as Bluetooth 4 LE so I assume it will work cross platform
- gcr 10y ago
  I have the "Microsoft Sculpt" keyboard, the older version. (Lovingly dubbed the "Batman" keyboard due to its resemblance to Batman's helmet) It looks like Microsoft addressed all the pain points: - An actual bluetooth device, so no need for the little wireless dongle. - Function keys are actual keys and not plastic buttons. Too bad they filled in the space in the middle. Oh well. Guess it's no longer a true Batman keyboard. But it's still the best I've used.
  - tszyn 10y ago
    They also fixed the 6-key block (the one with Home, End, etc.). The older version had a nonstandard layout. On the minus side, it has a non-detachable numpad, so you'll have to reach further to use your mouse.
    - lathiat 10y ago
      Relatively recent convert to the old sculpt ergonomic keyboard, which I love. The real escape key, and fn key to toggle the top row are likely to make me upgrade along with the standard home/page/arrow keys l, but it's a shame they dropped the tilt bar, integrated the numpad (particularly as I use a touchpad) and that colour makes me keep thinking the photos are bare 3D or clay renders. After reading about the rest of the presentation I realised that may have been intentional. I'm also going to miss the split.

DiabloD3 10y ago

Chair is too high, monitors are too forward if he has to lean forward like that (he needs glasses, really), keyboard and mouse are too high (which is why many desks have trays), and monitors are too low (neutral position looking forwards, the middle should be right in front of you), two monitors instead of three, the "middle" one of the duo not straight ahead, no mouse pad... So many sins.

Tepix 10y ago
The monitors aren't too low on the picture! It's bad for your neck if you have to look up whereas looking down is OK.
- stinos 10y ago
  Source please? And does this mean all those people bending their neck over their smartphone are OK? I always thought (because of the internet I guess, and because it makes most snese to me) looking down nor up is the best, but just straight forward. I.e. computer screen centered to the eyes vertically.
  - georgemcbay 10y ago
    I'm not the guy you are responding to, but from OSHA: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_monitors.html https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/compon... "Place monitor so top line of screen is at or below eye level." I've very commonly heard ergonomics experts suggest having the top bezel of your monitor be at eye level which seems like it would be about right for the person in the photo if he wasn't hunching over, which is a problem but seemingly not one related to the height of his monitors. I believe a constant extreme downward neck bend would be bad, the idea is that if the monitor's top is about eye level you can scan down to see it primarily just with your eyes without actually having to tilt your neck too much, which is quite different than the sort of extreme neck bending I believe you mean when it comes to certain types of cellphone usage.
    - DiabloD3 10y ago
      I've seen the OSHA recommendation, but I don't agree with it. Maybe I'm just weird, but my neck hurts more having to tilt my head ever so slightly forward instead of leaving it neutral. Also, as a side effect, and maybe largely why I find it uncomfortable... it makes me aim wrong in FPSes due to perspective issues. I have mine where they are centered in my vision, and I don't move my head to look up and down, I just move my eyes.

neves 10y ago

But their new ergonomic keyboard looks really nice. Hope it works with other computers.

mmcconnell1618 10y ago
Tech specs listed as Bluetooth 4 LE so I assume it will work cross platform
gcr 10y ago
I have the "Microsoft Sculpt" keyboard, the older version. (Lovingly dubbed the "Batman" keyboard due to its resemblance to Batman's helmet) It looks like Microsoft addressed all the pain points: - An actual bluetooth device, so no need for the little wireless dongle. - Function keys are actual keys and not plastic buttons. Too bad they filled in the space in the middle. Oh well. Guess it's no longer a true Batman keyboard. But it's still the best I've used.
- tszyn 10y ago
  They also fixed the 6-key block (the one with Home, End, etc.). The older version had a nonstandard layout. On the minus side, it has a non-detachable numpad, so you'll have to reach further to use your mouse.
  - lathiat 10y ago
    Relatively recent convert to the old sculpt ergonomic keyboard, which I love. The real escape key, and fn key to toggle the top row are likely to make me upgrade along with the standard home/page/arrow keys l, but it's a shame they dropped the tilt bar, integrated the numpad (particularly as I use a touchpad) and that colour makes me keep thinking the photos are bare 3D or clay renders. After reading about the rest of the presentation I realised that may have been intentional. I'm also going to miss the split.