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I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

by 1st1 10y ago

1st1 10y ago
Can't wait to install Kaspersky on it! :)
- marsrover 10y ago
  Maybe there's some scenario I'm missing out on, but I've never had any issues just using Windows Defender.
  - 1st1 10y ago
    That was irony :)
    - NetStrikeForce 10y ago
      That was sarcasm. Irony is that you've confused one with the other :)
      - vezycash 10y ago
        I'm sure he's being serious. I've stopped using other antivirus since Defender came on board. Whenever I buy a new laptop, the first thing I do is uninstall Norton and activate defender.
        martin_bech 10y ago
        The guy kidding, was the one who wanted to install Kaspersky
- devopsproject 10y ago
  uBlock Origin + Windows Defender = pretty good defence for people who don't click yes on everything that pops up
  - vezycash 10y ago
    + unchecky It protects from toolbars, addons and other bundlewares of free software.
digi_owl 10y ago
Yeah this seems to aim straight at the complaints that Apple has been ignoring the creative segment of their market.
- seanalltogether 10y ago
  Both digital illustrators I know work entirely on PC's these days simply because the tooling there is more flexible. I have no doubt they will migrate to this device over time.
- jordache 10y ago
  Apple these days are designed for optimal usage of iTunes and Safari. It is no longer the platform of choice for creative content creation.
  - lucisferre 10y ago
    Surprisingly, two of the worst pieces of software that come with OSX. I would love it if they were really optimizing anything about iTunes.
    - jordache 10y ago
      if they can optimize iTunes it would represent as a momentous shift in general computing.
      - nof 10y ago
        Indeed. Coreaudio is much than whatever it is on Windows. Easier to sync software and lower latency overall.
    - csomar 10y ago
      Indeed. Safari is lagging behind, it's like IE in the old days. iTunes is the shittiest App I have interacted with in the OSX eco-system.
    - spike021 10y ago
mozumder 10y ago
As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted to be. Surprised MS went with nVidia 980s instead of 1080s, & Win 10 still a little clunky compared to OS X.
- usaphp 10y ago
  > "Surprised MS went with nVidia 980s instead of 1080s" It's not even 980, its 980m which is significantly slower than 980, nevermind 1080. And the 980m only comes in the $4199 option, that's ridiculous...
  - Ant5do 10y ago
    Okay, seriously. The iMac comes with a 395x mobile gpu. It's pretty comparable to the 980m. The 1070m and 1080m don't exist yet. If you guys actually knew more about hardware than nothing, maybe you'd realize that it's not possible to get a 1080m. iMacs and Macbook Pros (top of the line 15-inch with dGPU) have always used mobile GPUs. Also, illustrators/designers don't need dGPUs. That's why the designers/illustrators at hte tech companies that you work at can use macbook 13 inch laptops and 15-inch laptops without the dGPUs
    - mhermher 10y ago
      NVIDIA got rid of the m distinction for the new gen. Razer (and I believe others) have already put a full "desktop" geforce 10xx in some of their laptops.
- TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
  > the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing In theory. To anyone who feels that way, please try it out for yourself before making a leap. I thought it would let me develop Ruby on Rails under Windows like I could do on Linux or macOS. I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this. After a couple of months of commenting on bug reports and watching and trying, I gave up. I'll check back later. YMMV.
jshen 10y ago
My thought is that it doesn't matter because MS missed the mobile market. People will default to the products that best integrate with their phones, and that will be iPad Pro or .... whatever the android space has to offer.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Do you think a lot of people care about PC/phone integration? I don't see it outside of "contacts and email" which is already fully integrated everywhere thanks to the cloud. People don't buy Macs because they work well with an iPhone as far as I can tell. They buy Macs for all sorts of other reasons, but that doesn't seem to be one of them. Every corporate office in the world is running Windows. I'm pretty sure people are going to continue buying whatever they use at work, so unfortunately for HN, Windows is here to stay...(sorry!)
  - swang 10y ago
    I just installed macOS Sierra and have up-to-date iOS 10.1. I still cannot get handoff working. From reading the reports this is not just me. At least Chrome still syncs.
    - prawn 10y ago
      Similar experience here. I use iPhone, MBP and iPad. Originally thought that having everything under one umbrella would be a huge help, but the reality is the syncing is such a pain that I never do it. Took me many, many months to even get AirDrop working between my own devices. iTunes is very frustrating to use in managing iOS devices.
      - swang 10y ago
        one of the things that apple didn't pointed out is that there are 2 versions of airdrop. i didn't know this and had an older version of osx that wouldn't sync with my iphone. no error message either.
  - honkhonkpants 10y ago
romaniv 10y ago
This seems to compete with Wacom Cintiq more than any Apple product I'm aware of.
- smilekzs 10y ago
  And it's based off NTrig tech, too. Competition is good ;)
- nkassis 10y ago
  I think that's part of the point the parent. This is a combination of an iMac and Cintiq. Something Apple currently doesn't have a answer to.
ryanSrich 10y ago
The indie tool market has a much stronger foothold today than they did a few years ago. Adobe, Autodesk, etc. still reign supreme, but that's slowly changing. They are being overtaken by smaller, more niche products. See affinity, sketch, figma, etc. Unless Microsoft can woo these companies into building apps for their platform, I don't see MSFT making a dent with this market.
- ebalit 10y ago
  Affinity Designer for Windows [1] is currently in beta. Figma is available for Windows too [2]. 1: https://affinity.serif.com/fr/windows/ https://affinity.serif.com/fr/windows/ 2: https://www.figma.com/downloads https://www.figma.com/downloads
rsync 10y ago
"I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing." That is what I came here to say (as a mac user who uses only apple computers, currently[1]). See this animated gif from the article: https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kFQXkfWYVYCRnSfXpAhRBTVXH4M=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7350333/dial.0.gif https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kFQXkfWYVYCRnSfXpAhRBTVXH4M... Now ... I don't know what that's about and I am pretty sure that's an action I will never use, but that's something new and interesting. That's innovation. [1] 11" macbook air, mac mini HTPC and 2009 mac pro as primary desktop
- prawn 10y ago
  Presumably you can use the jog dial off-screen and for any number of things, in which case it would be useful to almost everyone for volume control, scrolling through lists, adjusting values in control panels and so on. Obviously video editors use them, but I know of professional photographers who find them really useful in moving through a catalogue while editing photos too.
draw_down 10y ago
They got whupped bad in the mobile market, and PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something. Quick, someone page Apple because Mac sales are declining even faster than the market. Surely they have to do something, that's the only possible motivation /s
  - draw_down 10y ago
    Yeah, if only they had another product which makes tons of money............. hmmm................ I wonder what it could be......................

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

by 1st1 10y ago

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

1st1 10y ago

Can't wait to install Kaspersky on it! :)

marsrover 10y ago
Maybe there's some scenario I'm missing out on, but I've never had any issues just using Windows Defender.
- 1st1 10y ago
  That was irony :)
  - NetStrikeForce 10y ago
    That was sarcasm. Irony is that you've confused one with the other :)
    - vezycash 10y ago
      I'm sure he's being serious. I've stopped using other antivirus since Defender came on board. Whenever I buy a new laptop, the first thing I do is uninstall Norton and activate defender.
      - martin_bech 10y ago
        The guy kidding, was the one who wanted to install Kaspersky
devopsproject 10y ago
uBlock Origin + Windows Defender = pretty good defence for people who don't click yes on everything that pops up
- vezycash 10y ago
  + unchecky It protects from toolbars, addons and other bundlewares of free software.

digi_owl 10y ago

Yeah this seems to aim straight at the complaints that Apple has been ignoring the creative segment of their market.

seanalltogether 10y ago
Both digital illustrators I know work entirely on PC's these days simply because the tooling there is more flexible. I have no doubt they will migrate to this device over time.
jordache 10y ago
Apple these days are designed for optimal usage of iTunes and Safari. It is no longer the platform of choice for creative content creation.
- lucisferre 10y ago
  Surprisingly, two of the worst pieces of software that come with OSX. I would love it if they were really optimizing anything about iTunes.
  - jordache 10y ago
    if they can optimize iTunes it would represent as a momentous shift in general computing.
    - nof 10y ago
      Indeed. Coreaudio is much than whatever it is on Windows. Easier to sync software and lower latency overall.
  - csomar 10y ago
    Indeed. Safari is lagging behind, it's like IE in the old days. iTunes is the shittiest App I have interacted with in the OSX eco-system.
  - spike021 10y ago

mozumder 10y ago

As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted to be. Surprised MS went with nVidia 980s instead of 1080s, & Win 10 still a little clunky compared to OS X.

usaphp 10y ago
> "Surprised MS went with nVidia 980s instead of 1080s" It's not even 980, its 980m which is significantly slower than 980, nevermind 1080. And the 980m only comes in the $4199 option, that's ridiculous...
- Ant5do 10y ago
  Okay, seriously. The iMac comes with a 395x mobile gpu. It's pretty comparable to the 980m. The 1070m and 1080m don't exist yet. If you guys actually knew more about hardware than nothing, maybe you'd realize that it's not possible to get a 1080m. iMacs and Macbook Pros (top of the line 15-inch with dGPU) have always used mobile GPUs. Also, illustrators/designers don't need dGPUs. That's why the designers/illustrators at hte tech companies that you work at can use macbook 13 inch laptops and 15-inch laptops without the dGPUs
  - mhermher 10y ago
    NVIDIA got rid of the m distinction for the new gen. Razer (and I believe others) have already put a full "desktop" geforce 10xx in some of their laptops.
TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
> the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing In theory. To anyone who feels that way, please try it out for yourself before making a leap. I thought it would let me develop Ruby on Rails under Windows like I could do on Linux or macOS. I discovered a whole bunch of unimplemented features that prevented this. After a couple of months of commenting on bug reports and watching and trying, I gave up. I'll check back later. YMMV.

jshen 10y ago

My thought is that it doesn't matter because MS missed the mobile market. People will default to the products that best integrate with their phones, and that will be iPad Pro or .... whatever the android space has to offer.

WayneBro 10y ago
Do you think a lot of people care about PC/phone integration? I don't see it outside of "contacts and email" which is already fully integrated everywhere thanks to the cloud. People don't buy Macs because they work well with an iPhone as far as I can tell. They buy Macs for all sorts of other reasons, but that doesn't seem to be one of them. Every corporate office in the world is running Windows. I'm pretty sure people are going to continue buying whatever they use at work, so unfortunately for HN, Windows is here to stay...(sorry!)
- swang 10y ago
  I just installed macOS Sierra and have up-to-date iOS 10.1. I still cannot get handoff working. From reading the reports this is not just me. At least Chrome still syncs.
  - prawn 10y ago
    Similar experience here. I use iPhone, MBP and iPad. Originally thought that having everything under one umbrella would be a huge help, but the reality is the syncing is such a pain that I never do it. Took me many, many months to even get AirDrop working between my own devices. iTunes is very frustrating to use in managing iOS devices.
    - swang 10y ago
      one of the things that apple didn't pointed out is that there are 2 versions of airdrop. i didn't know this and had an older version of osx that wouldn't sync with my iphone. no error message either.
- honkhonkpants 10y ago

romaniv 10y ago

This seems to compete with Wacom Cintiq more than any Apple product I'm aware of.

smilekzs 10y ago
And it's based off NTrig tech, too. Competition is good ;)
nkassis 10y ago
I think that's part of the point the parent. This is a combination of an iMac and Cintiq. Something Apple currently doesn't have a answer to.

ryanSrich 10y ago

The indie tool market has a much stronger foothold today than they did a few years ago. Adobe, Autodesk, etc. still reign supreme, but that's slowly changing. They are being overtaken by smaller, more niche products. See affinity, sketch, figma, etc. Unless Microsoft can woo these companies into building apps for their platform, I don't see MSFT making a dent with this market.

ebalit 10y ago
Affinity Designer for Windows [1] is currently in beta. Figma is available for Windows too [2]. 1: https://affinity.serif.com/fr/windows/ https://affinity.serif.com/fr/windows/ 2: https://www.figma.com/downloads https://www.figma.com/downloads

rsync 10y ago

"I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing." That is what I came here to say (as a mac user who uses only apple computers, currently[1]). See this animated gif from the article: https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kFQXkfWYVYCRnSfXpAhRBTVXH4M=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7350333/dial.0.gif https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/kFQXkfWYVYCRnSfXpAhRBTVXH4M... Now ... I don't know what that's about and I am pretty sure that's an action I will never use, but that's something new and interesting. That's innovation. [1] 11" macbook air, mac mini HTPC and 2009 mac pro as primary desktop

prawn 10y ago
Presumably you can use the jog dial off-screen and for any number of things, in which case it would be useful to almost everyone for volume control, scrolling through lists, adjusting values in control panels and so on. Obviously video editors use them, but I know of professional photographers who find them really useful in moving through a catalogue while editing photos too.

draw_down 10y ago

They got whupped bad in the mobile market, and PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something.

sangnoir 10y ago
> PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something. Quick, someone page Apple because Mac sales are declining even faster than the market. Surely they have to do something, that's the only possible motivation /s
- draw_down 10y ago
  Yeah, if only they had another product which makes tons of money............. hmmm................ I wonder what it could be......................