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>>This isn't exclusive to SLRs. No, it is not, but, for a given price point, you will likely get faster AF with an SLR today than all but the most expensive mi

by abakker 10y ago

>>This isn't exclusive to SLRs. No, it is not, but, for a given price point, you will likely get faster AF with an SLR today than all but the most expensive mirrorless cameras. Especially with motion tracking. I know that there are some cameras that say they'll be faster, but having tested a bunch in the real world, I had a very hard time finding any that worked as well as SLRs in as wide a range of conditions. >>This is more about sensor size than whether the camera has a mechanical mirror box inside. Yes, though it is more complex than this. It also has to do with the distance from the sensor to the back of the lens. This doesn't require a mirror, but most mirrorless cameras are focused on reducing the size of the package, so they try to reduce this distance so they can shrink their lenses. This is not an absolute advantage of the SLR, but the form factor currently lends itself to this characteristic, while mirrorless bodies are typically trying to optimize for something else. (of course, many mirrorless cameras can use adaptors to full-frame SLR lenses, and the results can be great image quality, but typically bad performance on autofocus.) source: Spent several days with A7R, A7R2, Canon 6D, 5D3, 5DSr. Tested lenses Canon 11-24, 40mm, 24-70ii, 70-200, sony 70-200. Ultimately bought the 5DSr, due to more reliable functioning, ergonomics, lenses, battery life, etc. Despite genuinely wanting to shed the weight.

slantyyz 10y ago
>> No, it is not, but, for a given price point, you will likely get faster AF with an SLR today than all but the most expensive mirrorless cameras. Especially with motion tracking. I know that there are some cameras that say they'll be faster, but having tested a bunch in the real world, I had a very hard time finding any that worked as well as SLRs in as wide a range of conditions. Practically speaking, most non-enthusiasts don't turn over their cameras every two years. So there are plenty of DSLRs in the wild that mirrorless cameras can outperform. My Nikon V1 (hardly a new camera) can outperform a Canon 5D1 in AF speed in just about any situation, and rightly or wrongly, my V1 is considered to be a joke by many enthusiasts. It's about as fast as my APS-C DSLRs from 2008 and 2010 -- and keep in mind, that a DSLR from 2008 is probably more than fast enough for most non-enthusiasts today. Newer mirrorless cameras can perform about as well as slightly older consumer DSLRs in terms of AF. And for most people, it's a fair compromise for the size differential. >> Yes, though it is more complex than this. No disagreement there, but you're speaking from the context of an enthusiast. From a bigger picture perspective, most buyers of consumer DSLRs (which are the majority of DSLRs being sold) aren't pixel peepers. They just want better photos of their kids and pets, etc. Most of them could be easily satisfied with an iPhone 7+ with portrait mode or a Sony RX100MK1. The benefits you speak of are very true for a segment of photographers but I question whether they apply to the person who simply wants better quality images than they get from their smartphone or cheap point and shoot.
- ghaff 10y ago
  >a DSLR from 2008 is probably more than fast enough for most non-enthusiasts today I was selling some older DSLR equipment recently and it made me think that someone wanting to learn photography with a "real" camera today can do quite well with older gear. It won't autofocus as well or have as good a sensor but it can be plenty good to learn on. Lenses of course don't degrade in value quite as much but there are plenty of lenses that enthusiasts may sniff at but are plenty good for a beginner.

by abakker 10y ago

slantyyz 10y ago

>> No, it is not, but, for a given price point, you will likely get faster AF with an SLR today than all but the most expensive mirrorless cameras. Especially with motion tracking. I know that there are some cameras that say they'll be faster, but having tested a bunch in the real world, I had a very hard time finding any that worked as well as SLRs in as wide a range of conditions. Practically speaking, most non-enthusiasts don't turn over their cameras every two years. So there are plenty of DSLRs in the wild that mirrorless cameras can outperform. My Nikon V1 (hardly a new camera) can outperform a Canon 5D1 in AF speed in just about any situation, and rightly or wrongly, my V1 is considered to be a joke by many enthusiasts. It's about as fast as my APS-C DSLRs from 2008 and 2010 -- and keep in mind, that a DSLR from 2008 is probably more than fast enough for most non-enthusiasts today. Newer mirrorless cameras can perform about as well as slightly older consumer DSLRs in terms of AF. And for most people, it's a fair compromise for the size differential. >> Yes, though it is more complex than this. No disagreement there, but you're speaking from the context of an enthusiast. From a bigger picture perspective, most buyers of consumer DSLRs (which are the majority of DSLRs being sold) aren't pixel peepers. They just want better photos of their kids and pets, etc. Most of them could be easily satisfied with an iPhone 7+ with portrait mode or a Sony RX100MK1. The benefits you speak of are very true for a segment of photographers but I question whether they apply to the person who simply wants better quality images than they get from their smartphone or cheap point and shoot.

ghaff 10y ago
>a DSLR from 2008 is probably more than fast enough for most non-enthusiasts today I was selling some older DSLR equipment recently and it made me think that someone wanting to learn photography with a "real" camera today can do quite well with older gear. It won't autofocus as well or have as good a sensor but it can be plenty good to learn on. Lenses of course don't degrade in value quite as much but there are plenty of lenses that enthusiasts may sniff at but are plenty good for a beginner.