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That's funny how that works in Norway. In Switzerland, if you ignore all the letters of conscription you get fines and after some years, you will be visited by

by Kenji 10y ago

That's funny how that works in Norway. In Switzerland, if you ignore all the letters of conscription you get fines and after some years, you will be visited by two very kind policemen who put you in prison. Hmm, that is interesting. What is the benefit of such a social year, as opposed to having the youngsters start either an apprenticeship, where they can learn a trade, or continue and finish their education, and then get into the workforce? If such social labour has to be done, it should be paid accordingly and people should not be forced to do it in my eyes.

dogma1138 10y ago
>What is the benefit of such a social year, as opposed to having the youngsters start either an apprenticeship, where they can learn a trade, or continue and finish their education, and then get into the workforce? If such social labour has to be done, it should be paid accordingly and people should not be forced to do it in my eyes. Because I believe that each and every one of us is born with a debt to society and that promoting selflessness and community work is beneficial on moral and ethical grounds for the society as a whole. I don't see anything more wrong with doing a civil service which often you are paid for (not much but are paid for) than saying collecting taxes on your hard work, in fact I would go out and say that I would rather being "forced" to volunteer for a year or two in my youth than pay higher taxes. I also believe that good order, structure and community outreach can help people find their place in society better and to learn more about themselves, society already forces you to do many things I don't see how the fact that you rushed out into the workforce or into a specific education path just to make money any less forced than volunteering at a school, hospital, fire department or anything like that. In fact it can help society on many levels, there is nothing that prevents say a 3rd year CompSci student from teaching programming at a school 2-3 times a week, in fact having a 20 something role model who they can relate too is likely to have a very good positive effect on children and young adults. Volunteering also tends to reshape your perception of society and in my opinion for the better, I was a volunteer EMT since I was 16 and I have done a military service, this is just my experience and my lesson learned.

by Kenji 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago

>What is the benefit of such a social year, as opposed to having the youngsters start either an apprenticeship, where they can learn a trade, or continue and finish their education, and then get into the workforce? If such social labour has to be done, it should be paid accordingly and people should not be forced to do it in my eyes. Because I believe that each and every one of us is born with a debt to society and that promoting selflessness and community work is beneficial on moral and ethical grounds for the society as a whole. I don't see anything more wrong with doing a civil service which often you are paid for (not much but are paid for) than saying collecting taxes on your hard work, in fact I would go out and say that I would rather being "forced" to volunteer for a year or two in my youth than pay higher taxes. I also believe that good order, structure and community outreach can help people find their place in society better and to learn more about themselves, society already forces you to do many things I don't see how the fact that you rushed out into the workforce or into a specific education path just to make money any less forced than volunteering at a school, hospital, fire department or anything like that. In fact it can help society on many levels, there is nothing that prevents say a 3rd year CompSci student from teaching programming at a school 2-3 times a week, in fact having a 20 something role model who they can relate too is likely to have a very good positive effect on children and young adults. Volunteering also tends to reshape your perception of society and in my opinion for the better, I was a volunteer EMT since I was 16 and I have done a military service, this is just my experience and my lesson learned.