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Hahahahahahaha. No. Women in the West do not have it better than men by a long shot. We have a presidential candidate threatenjng to sue to silence all accusers
by legodt 10y ago
Hahahahahahaha. No. Women in the West do not have it better than men by a long shot. We have a presidential candidate threatenjng to sue to silence all accusers of sexual assault towards him. We have trans women of color being killed daily in the streets with no repercussions. And we have white dudes on the internet claiming conscription is just as bad as living under a society dominated by rape culture. Get out of your own head
- Kenji 10y agoRape culture? In the west? Explain. Rape incidents have never been lower in America than in the last few years, as shown by fbi.gov and other governmental intitutes. And this despite many efforts of encouraging victims of rape to speak out. And despite the fact that falsely accusing someone of rape has no repercussions whatsoever.
- legodt 10y agoRape culture is not measured quantitatively by rapes reported/estimated. Please either go back to your men's rights hideyhole or actively get off the internet and start speaking to women active in the space of feminism to educate yourself on the subject. I will not be responding to you further
- Kenji 10y agoEvidence or gtfo. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I presented my evidence in the form of official FBI statistics.
- legodt 10y agoRape culture isn't about rapes. It's about a pervasive culture of misogyny that constantly demeans, shames, and objectifies women. Please go out and become educated on the subject rather than getting all of your information on this complex, multifaceted subject matter.
- Kenji 10y agoI'd love to be educated about this topic. I am always eager to learn new things and broaden my horizons. I don't shy away from complex, multifaceted subject matters. It's just that, to learn, I need facts. I need something tangible and you fail to give me that.
- legodt 10y agohttps://youtu.be/KLMVqnyTo_0 https://youtu.be/KLMVqnyTo_0 Get cracking. There are literally decades of social discourse you are behind on.
- zimpenfish 10y agoDoes this help? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/08/this-is-rape-culture-after-trump-video-thousands-of-women-share-sexual-assault-stories/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/08/this-... Or this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-words-what-rape-culture-looks-like https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump...
- forgottenpass 10y agoRape culture isn't about rapes. Perhaps using more accurate names would make the education you're asking the parent poster to go get more accessible.
- lixquid 10y agoIt seems detrimental to the cause to simply say "You are wrong, your evidence is wrong, and I'm not going to tell you why.", let alone the unnecessary insults.
- legodt 10y agoI am not going to spend the paragraphs of effort to define my terms to somebody who has clearly gone through their life without bothering to even try to understand feminism. They have to go out and educate themselves at this point.
- lixquid 10y agoWhy? The onus isn't on a person who has given you the evidence to prove you wrong to invalidate their own evidence. You don't have to "spend the paragraphs of effort", just provide something which shows their evidence, which they base their stance on, is incorrect.
- exstudent2 10y agoNot that it makes it ok but far more men than women are killed in the streets without repercussions. Men are also way more represented in prison which I think has an undeniable rape culture. That's not even touching on male underrepresentation in higher education... Men and women both face unique challenges in the west. In many very real ways men are getting the short end of the stick. The problem a lot of people have with western feminism is that you can't even discuss such things or point out how the standard feminist narrative harms men.
- legodt 10y agoParent post here. And, you know what? You're very right about a lot of things. You might be really interested in hearing Bell Hooks speak (she has a lot of awesome talks up on YouTube). She talks a great deal about how feminism is for everyone and the patriarchal structures we live under harm both men and women greatly. Men being killed in the street are not being killed for being men, unlike women who are killed for being trans or refusing sex. Do you see the difference here?
- exstudent2 10y agoWe probably agree on many things but I do fundamentally disagree with the concept of a "patriarchy" (in the west). There's no need to gender what is essentially a synonym for institutionalized power. A lot of that power favors women (c.f. our educational system).
- legodt 10y agoOkay, after that comment, I don't think I agree with you on anything. Educators are not in positions of power and we have not advanced past a society where gender can be separated from the spaces we inhabit. This weird victim complex of denying feminism is getting way too crazy
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y agoEducators are only in a position of power in the eyes of a child.
- throwaway1892 10y ago" being killed daily in the streets " Do you have a source for that?
- legodt 10y agohttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/ncavp_transhvfactsheet.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjy_JWT2fjPAhXh0FQKHWmzC6AQFgguMAI&usg=AFQjCNHHLiCA_SB2bhZYm7ZWwzi3cKiQHA&sig2=1Cl-fWumCZWQ-79At5pn2g https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...
- throwaway1892 10y agoFrom the front page of the site you linked (avp.org) : "22nd reported killing of a transgender/gender non-conforming person NCAVP has responded to in 2016" So it's not daily, but there are multiple instances of it. Edit: Also, I would not consider avp.org as a neutral sources on this matter considering their agenda.