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feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west, but a lot of work to be done elsewhere. i have an issue though wi

feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west, but a lot of work to be done elsewhere. i have an issue though with so called feminist women that don't care about gender equality, but they want just all the benefits for them, without other parts that naturally come with them (ie be always treated like a princess but as equal at the same time - come on, we're not schizophrenics, and so on - list could be endless). most of them don't care much about what is happening in truly oppressive places around the globe (yeah, it's horrible! can you name few cases? what???), they just found another way to yell at others and express life frustrations, and at this time most don't have balls to actually argue to not be labeled sexist and whatnot. you think I am talking about some imaginary caricatures - far from that, and those beings give feminism a very bad name and prohibit the whole movement to be taken seriously in some circles. too loud where it doesn't matter anymore, and too quiet where it should.

digi_owl 10y ago
Sadly there will always be those that grab onto any cause to fuel their own power trip.
legodt 10y ago
Although there are not easily comparable atrocities going on often in the West, that does not end the need for feminism out here. Maybe it does for you because at this point it doesn't affect you directly, but we still have a deeply entrenched rape culture where brock turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way. Heck, turn on the tv and just listen for a while. The culture here is still very sexist. Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them. I get what you are trying to say but it does not sound like you are fully educated on the matter and it comes across as a narrow world view. Look into intersectionality in feminism and then some discussions about the garbage fire that is colloquially referred to as "white feminism," which is what I believe you are trying to denounce in your post.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > deeply entrenched rape culture where Brock Turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape; Perceived sexism or public allegations of "sexual assault" isn't the same thing. > Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them What is this claim based on?
  - judahmeek 10y ago
    > "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape The term "rape culture" was first coined in the 1970s... terms have been known to evolve over time. > What is this claim based on? "From 2006 to 2010, the highest percentages of unreported crime were among household theft (67%) and rape or sexual assault (65%) victimizations, while the lowest percentage was among motor vehicle theft (17%) victimizations." [0] 0: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      > terms have been known to evolve over time And when did this one "evolve"? >> What is this claim based on? The claim was "Rape victims are still terrified to come forward". Further, there are ambiguities in that report: "Rape OR sexual assault"; "Fear of reprisal OR getting offender in trouble" (28%) The difference between each of these two things is important, and certainly impacts the interpretation of results.
      - judahmeek 10y ago
        > The difference between each of these two things is important, and certainly impacts the interpretation of results. How so?
        Chris2048 10y ago
        One, or the other, can or cannot support the claim "Rape victims are still terrified to come forward". A victim of sexual assault that isn't rape cannot be counted towards this figure, so an aggregate number for both rape and sexual assault isn't helpful.
chickenfries 10y ago
> feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west Your claim is the exact opposite of the post you're responding to, but you don't back it up at all when the comment you're replying to provides concrete examples of the need for feminism in the west. I want to take your comment in good faith, but when you do that and then launch into the typical "haven't the feminists gone too far?" with the typical allusions to emasculation, it discredits any other point you may be trying to make. I'm downvoting you, but not because I disagree with everything you've said, but because your post is low quality and ads nothing to the discussion but a strawman. > too loud where it doesn't matter anymore, and too quiet where it should. It's almost as if women walk a delicate line between being being completely not taken seriously and being perceived as "loud" or bitchy. Also, it's insulting to both feminists all over the world because you clearly don't pay enough attention? Have you heard of the global sensation that is Malala Yousafzai? No because that would contradict your worldview of feminism having gone too far in the west and not far enough in the east. Isn't it convenient how all the feminists are wrong and you're right in your worldview?
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  you've just proven quite a few points I mentioned, thank you

digi_owl 10y ago

Sadly there will always be those that grab onto any cause to fuel their own power trip.

legodt 10y ago

Although there are not easily comparable atrocities going on often in the West, that does not end the need for feminism out here. Maybe it does for you because at this point it doesn't affect you directly, but we still have a deeply entrenched rape culture where brock turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way. Heck, turn on the tv and just listen for a while. The culture here is still very sexist. Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them. I get what you are trying to say but it does not sound like you are fully educated on the matter and it comes across as a narrow world view. Look into intersectionality in feminism and then some discussions about the garbage fire that is colloquially referred to as "white feminism," which is what I believe you are trying to denounce in your post.

Chris2048 10y ago
> deeply entrenched rape culture where Brock Turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape; Perceived sexism or public allegations of "sexual assault" isn't the same thing. > Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them What is this claim based on?
- judahmeek 10y ago
  > "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape The term "rape culture" was first coined in the 1970s... terms have been known to evolve over time. > What is this claim based on? "From 2006 to 2010, the highest percentages of unreported crime were among household theft (67%) and rape or sexual assault (65%) victimizations, while the lowest percentage was among motor vehicle theft (17%) victimizations." [0] 0: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    > terms have been known to evolve over time And when did this one "evolve"? >> What is this claim based on? The claim was "Rape victims are still terrified to come forward". Further, there are ambiguities in that report: "Rape OR sexual assault"; "Fear of reprisal OR getting offender in trouble" (28%) The difference between each of these two things is important, and certainly impacts the interpretation of results.
    - judahmeek 10y ago
      > The difference between each of these two things is important, and certainly impacts the interpretation of results. How so?
      - Chris2048 10y ago
        One, or the other, can or cannot support the claim "Rape victims are still terrified to come forward". A victim of sexual assault that isn't rape cannot be counted towards this figure, so an aggregate number for both rape and sexual assault isn't helpful.

chickenfries 10y ago

> feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west Your claim is the exact opposite of the post you're responding to, but you don't back it up at all when the comment you're replying to provides concrete examples of the need for feminism in the west. I want to take your comment in good faith, but when you do that and then launch into the typical "haven't the feminists gone too far?" with the typical allusions to emasculation, it discredits any other point you may be trying to make. I'm downvoting you, but not because I disagree with everything you've said, but because your post is low quality and ads nothing to the discussion but a strawman. > too loud where it doesn't matter anymore, and too quiet where it should. It's almost as if women walk a delicate line between being being completely not taken seriously and being perceived as "loud" or bitchy. Also, it's insulting to both feminists all over the world because you clearly don't pay enough attention? Have you heard of the global sensation that is Malala Yousafzai? No because that would contradict your worldview of feminism having gone too far in the west and not far enough in the east. Isn't it convenient how all the feminists are wrong and you're right in your worldview?

saiya-jin 10y ago
you've just proven quite a few points I mentioned, thank you