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Yes, of course what you are saying is true, but I feel that this is underestimating the risk of keeping them in the system. Wosign/startcom are known bad actor
by jamiesonbecker 10y ago
Yes, of course what you are saying is true, but I feel that this is underestimating the risk of keeping them in the system.
Wosign/startcom are known bad actors and put the entire ecosystem at risk because browsers trust all CA's equally.
Certificates are ultimately fungible with redundant CA's globally. One certificate is essentially as good as another, from the browser perspective (and nearly all site visitors).
This interchangeability:
Reduces the risk for 'otherwise innocent customers' in terms of cost (especially now with letsencrypt) so it's "easy" (or at least possible) for customers to replace their existing certificates when they had put trust in an untrustworthy vendor, and
Increases the risk that Wosign/startcom will sign bad certificates by backdating them (especially because signing certs is, in fact, their business model and now they have no incentive to not sign bad certs by backdating, since their business is basically dead now anyway.)
The risk is too high to NOT revoke all of their certificates, unless the current certs were able to all be enumerated and pinned. Letsencrypt only issues certificates for 3 months in order to provide some semblance of control.
If they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, Mozilla could give a thirty or 60 day warning period saying 'upgrade your certs NOW' or change them to 'untrusted' (grey) for that period of time and then completely remove (red) the way Chrome has done in the past with legitimate but no-longer-secure certs.
- inimino 10y agoThey have a pretty strong incentive to not backdate certs after all the attention this has gotten. Distrusting future certs punishes the company, distrusting all of them punishes all past customers and their users, and encourages people to just switch browsers.