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> It's very interesting that you say the biggest hurdle was regulatory capture, that is certainly depressing. Why is that depressing? Do you feel any company

> It's very interesting that you say the biggest hurdle was regulatory capture, that is certainly depressing. Why is that depressing? Do you feel any company should be allowed to build a phone line above your street, instead of being a regulated monopoly? This is what happens when you do that: http://io9.gizmodo.com/photos-from-the-days-when-thousands-of-cables-crowded-t-1629961917 http://io9.gizmodo.com/photos-from-the-days-when-thousands-o...

titzer 10y ago
You know, returning home to the USA a couple times a year, I am really struck by how many freaking power and phone lines are everywhere. It seems like every single street, except for the very core of cities downtown, and only the very wealthiest neighbors, have buried lines. In Germany, almost every town and every highway is free of these (IMO) ugly poles with lines everywhere. It's really an eyesore when you finally glance up.
- 15charlimit 10y ago
  Germany is also a significantly smaller area with more of the population in high density zones compared to most of the USA. Aboveground cables are easier to repair and much less expensive to string up over thousands of miles.
  - titzer 10y ago
    I hear this argument a lot and it doesn't really hold water. Essentially every little town, village, city, even along highways, everywhere in Germany, the cables are buried. Even in low density towns. Even to farms out in the country. Pretty much the only things that aren't buried are high-tension lines. Lines exposed to the elements wear faster than buried lines and are subject to more outages due to weather and accidents. It's just that in the USA towns and cities are either too disorganized or too cheap to invest properly in infrastructure. Burying lines seems like such a small thing until you realize how ugly lines strung everywhere are. It makes me feel like I am coming home to a third world country sometimes.
  - jtbigwoo 10y ago
    My mother-in-law has a cabin in northern Minnesota. It's three miles outside a town of 150 people. Her utility lines are buried. Meanwhile, I live four miles from the center of a metro area of three million and everything in my neighborhood is above ground. I suspect the major difference is that the power and phone companies in the little town are customer-owned coops while the utilities in my metro area are huge conglomerates.
ensignavenger 10y ago
A lot of those pictures seem to be due to limitations in the technology they were using, not limitations of regulation... however, to address your question- if society decided to grant someone a monopoly, it should be to the government, not a private entity. So, for example, if society decided we only wanted one set of fiber cables ran throughout the city, they would decide that the city would run them, and then lease access (using VLANS or similar tech) to any service provider that wants to use them.

titzer 10y ago

You know, returning home to the USA a couple times a year, I am really struck by how many freaking power and phone lines are everywhere. It seems like every single street, except for the very core of cities downtown, and only the very wealthiest neighbors, have buried lines. In Germany, almost every town and every highway is free of these (IMO) ugly poles with lines everywhere. It's really an eyesore when you finally glance up.

15charlimit 10y ago
Germany is also a significantly smaller area with more of the population in high density zones compared to most of the USA. Aboveground cables are easier to repair and much less expensive to string up over thousands of miles.
- titzer 10y ago
  I hear this argument a lot and it doesn't really hold water. Essentially every little town, village, city, even along highways, everywhere in Germany, the cables are buried. Even in low density towns. Even to farms out in the country. Pretty much the only things that aren't buried are high-tension lines. Lines exposed to the elements wear faster than buried lines and are subject to more outages due to weather and accidents. It's just that in the USA towns and cities are either too disorganized or too cheap to invest properly in infrastructure. Burying lines seems like such a small thing until you realize how ugly lines strung everywhere are. It makes me feel like I am coming home to a third world country sometimes.
- jtbigwoo 10y ago
  My mother-in-law has a cabin in northern Minnesota. It's three miles outside a town of 150 people. Her utility lines are buried. Meanwhile, I live four miles from the center of a metro area of three million and everything in my neighborhood is above ground. I suspect the major difference is that the power and phone companies in the little town are customer-owned coops while the utilities in my metro area are huge conglomerates.

ensignavenger 10y ago

A lot of those pictures seem to be due to limitations in the technology they were using, not limitations of regulation... however, to address your question- if society decided to grant someone a monopoly, it should be to the government, not a private entity. So, for example, if society decided we only wanted one set of fiber cables ran throughout the city, they would decide that the city would run them, and then lease access (using VLANS or similar tech) to any service provider that wants to use them.