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Now if only they'd deliver on the marketing talk about actually getting Opera v12 features into Chromera, or at least do the human thing of opening up the sourc

Now if only they'd deliver on the marketing talk about actually getting Opera v12 features into Chromera, or at least do the human thing of opening up the source of v12. Till then, quite a few people will stick with v12 as main browser. Also, beware: The browser part of the Opera company was sold to chinese malware producer Qihoo 360, after they failed to buy the entire company.

IsmaOlvey 10y ago
The problem with sticking to 12 is that it's not really an option any more. You lose out on newer web technologies, and at least on Windows you run into security issues, since enabling newer TLS versions makes Opera prone to crash.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  Incorrect. With these customizations you can make it very easy to open any page/link from inside Opera in any other browser: https://gist.github.com/wchristian/9a479b6969ba653681f50b415dcc89e4 https://gist.github.com/wchristian/9a479b6969ba653681f50b415... It is in practice entirely viable to keep using Opera as the main browser and punt troublemakers to other browsers as necessary.
  - IsmaOlvey 10y ago
    That it's easy to work around doesn't mean it's incorrect. That aside, the SSL/TLS issues alone make it unusable. Changing the settings to make it use the newest TLS version it has support for makes it crash, and even if it did there are no updates at all any more. That means no security fixes, no support for new cipher suites, etc.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      You said: "not an option anymore" This is incorrect in various ways, if only because there exists at least one example of someone using it successfully as the main browser, while also being employed as a web dev: Me.
      - EpicEng 10y ago
        You're right; just not an option to most reasonable people.
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Ah yes, ad hominem, the tool of choice for reasonable people.
        EpicEng 10y ago
        I don't think you know what that means, and throwing the term around doesn't make you sound smart. I'm attacking your argument in that it is a ridiculous workaround for a problem that doesn't really exist.
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Nah man, i know exactly what it means and what your game is. You're pretty sad. :)
        EpicEng 10y ago
        Yeah... I guess my "game" is that I wouldn't use an outdated browser and rely on a plugin to avoid security bugs and sites that use modern features. What are you even talking about?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Primarily that you've sufficient lack of clue as to what you're even talking about that assuming I'm insane may in fact be healthiest for your machinery.
  - EpicEng 10y ago
    'troublemakers' as in, modern sites that v12 doesn't support? So now I have to use two browsers via a plugin? Yeah that sounds like solid UX there.
feld 10y ago
Didn't they announce they weren't going to add the v12 features back because the number of power users were so few? I swear there was a blog post about this a couple years ago. edit: as for Quihoo 360: they may not be all bad. They seem to have a bunch of serious security researchers. Look at all the CVEs they've reported, like the most recent OpenSSL vuln.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  Yeah, they had one of the most prominent old school devs talk about how they're going to maintain the values and they were working on lots of things to bring over, yet even years later they're still in not even a quarter of the way. They also talked a lot about how they spent real effort writing a new UI on top of the chrome core and how it was not just a chrome fork, and how the UI would allow them to do exciting things. And well. Look at it. Vivaldi is better at being an Opera clone than Chromera ever was. Re qihoo: Possibly. I have fairly bad memory so the details didn't stick around, but i remember fairly distinctly them distributing something that was straight-up malware.

IsmaOlvey 10y ago

The problem with sticking to 12 is that it's not really an option any more. You lose out on newer web technologies, and at least on Windows you run into security issues, since enabling newer TLS versions makes Opera prone to crash.

Mithaldu 10y ago
Incorrect. With these customizations you can make it very easy to open any page/link from inside Opera in any other browser: https://gist.github.com/wchristian/9a479b6969ba653681f50b415dcc89e4 https://gist.github.com/wchristian/9a479b6969ba653681f50b415... It is in practice entirely viable to keep using Opera as the main browser and punt troublemakers to other browsers as necessary.
- IsmaOlvey 10y ago
  That it's easy to work around doesn't mean it's incorrect. That aside, the SSL/TLS issues alone make it unusable. Changing the settings to make it use the newest TLS version it has support for makes it crash, and even if it did there are no updates at all any more. That means no security fixes, no support for new cipher suites, etc.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    You said: "not an option anymore" This is incorrect in various ways, if only because there exists at least one example of someone using it successfully as the main browser, while also being employed as a web dev: Me.
    - EpicEng 10y ago
      You're right; just not an option to most reasonable people.
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        Ah yes, ad hominem, the tool of choice for reasonable people.
        EpicEng 10y ago
        I don't think you know what that means, and throwing the term around doesn't make you sound smart. I'm attacking your argument in that it is a ridiculous workaround for a problem that doesn't really exist.
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Nah man, i know exactly what it means and what your game is. You're pretty sad. :)
        EpicEng 10y ago
        Yeah... I guess my "game" is that I wouldn't use an outdated browser and rely on a plugin to avoid security bugs and sites that use modern features. What are you even talking about?
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        Primarily that you've sufficient lack of clue as to what you're even talking about that assuming I'm insane may in fact be healthiest for your machinery.
- EpicEng 10y ago
  'troublemakers' as in, modern sites that v12 doesn't support? So now I have to use two browsers via a plugin? Yeah that sounds like solid UX there.

feld 10y ago

Didn't they announce they weren't going to add the v12 features back because the number of power users were so few? I swear there was a blog post about this a couple years ago. edit: as for Quihoo 360: they may not be all bad. They seem to have a bunch of serious security researchers. Look at all the CVEs they've reported, like the most recent OpenSSL vuln.

Mithaldu 10y ago
Yeah, they had one of the most prominent old school devs talk about how they're going to maintain the values and they were working on lots of things to bring over, yet even years later they're still in not even a quarter of the way. They also talked a lot about how they spent real effort writing a new UI on top of the chrome core and how it was not just a chrome fork, and how the UI would allow them to do exciting things. And well. Look at it. Vivaldi is better at being an Opera clone than Chromera ever was. Re qihoo: Possibly. I have fairly bad memory so the details didn't stick around, but i remember fairly distinctly them distributing something that was straight-up malware.