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I'm sure it'll be a much better experience than what Apple's got to offer these days. It's an absolute embarrassment what's happened to that company.

by beedogs 10y ago

nodesocket 10y ago
Wow, compared to what manufacture do you think makes the best hardware then? Seems like you've got a personal rage with AAPL.
- beedogs 10y ago
  Seems to me you're being a bit presumptuous. I've been using Apple products since OS 7, and I've owned Apple products since 2006. So that's 10 years of brand loyalty, and thousands upon thousands of dollars in hardware purchases. I'm ready to give it all up and move back to Windows. Apple has been heading down the wrong path with their PCs for the past few years, with underperforming, overpriced, very buggy hardware and an increasingly annoying-to-use OS X, and this is the last straw for me.
  - nodesocket 10y ago
    I'd be really curious to hear what specific buggy hardware or annoying features of OS X are an issue for you. I'll be the first to admit, the innovation in terms of using the latest and greatest hardware and software technologies has not been there for Apple. However, this has been the case for a long time since Apple does something genius. They let other companies test new markets, built first to market products, watch them struggle, refine, and evaluate the market. Then, when the timing is just perfect, and a frenzy has been created they release a new product. Their products are like the Mercedes-Benz of cars. Sure, they aren't as fast and high performance as Ferrari or Lamborghini, but they are quality built, reliable, familiar to owners, and pleasant to drive.
    - beedogs 10y ago
      > I'd be really curious to hear what specific buggy hardware or annoying features of OS X are an issue for you. Okay, here's the biggest of them all: audio applications no longer work reliably on new Apple hardware. Anything using a Haswell (or later) CPU has this issue. Dropouts, stuttering audio, crashes for no reason in Ableton Live and other apps. It's a common complaint, and it's the reason I actually downgraded my Macbook Pro from a late-2013 Haswell to an early-2013 non-Haswell model. The dropouts ceased. I can now record 24 bit audio without issue. I tried all manner of audio interfaces, thinking it must be a driver or third-party hardware issue. But it wasn't. Not only that, but the USB stack has deteriorated to the point where the keyboard and trackpad of my Haswell Retina MBP routinely stop working. The Wifi chip -- also connected via USB -- drops about 15-20% of all packets sent over it. Even the Thunderbolt port was flaky, oftentimes I'd lose every externally-connected device as well as the trackpad and keyboard. Powering off was the only way to fix it. It was even worse when I bought it, but a couple of firmware updates made it work just well enough that I didn't return it for a refund. I don't know whether it's a problem with Apple's drivers, Intel's chipset, or some awful combination of the two. All I know is, I'm not the only one who's had these issues. The Ableton forums are rife with people with these exact issues on any relatively new hardware. People swear up and down that their older Macs perform much better than their newer ones, even with things like AppNap (a pox upon it) disabled. I want Apple to succeed and I want to keep using their hardware, because I vastly prefer(red) OS X to Windows, but they seem to be working against me here in a big way. I gave it my best try, I really did. They've let me down recently. It's sad. I hope they can recover eventually.
    - spronkey 10y ago
      Not the OP, but personally affected by all of: 1) rMBP screengate, 2) rMBP video problem, 3) Mavericks "Service Battery", 4) MagSafe fraying, 5) 2008 MBP GPU, 6) 2007 MacBook plastic cracking. On the software side, I seem to encounter plenty of little frustrating bugs - like not being able to remove AirDrop from the finder sidebar. Or having my windows reposition themselves every time my machine sleeps while connected to an external display. I've filed many an unanswered bug report... I also feel like Apple's HCI has regressed quite a lot. They tweak Mission Control / Desktops / Spaces every damn release, but there are never any preferences to make it work how you want it to. Around about Mavericks it was near perfect. 10.10 made it glacially slow. 10.11 sped it up, but removed desktop previews. 10.12 has messed with the mouse gesture slowing the animation down, and rubberbanding on repeat gesture instead of closing. Wat. Then there's stuff like the replacement of iPhoto with Photos.... yikes. When you pair all the above with the ridiculously anti-consumer attitude Apple have toward their hardware now (it's 2016 and they are still using proprietary SSD blades, and glueing batteries?), it really pisses me off.

I'm sure it'll be a much better experience than what Apple's got to offer these days. It's an absolute embarrassment what's happened to that company.

by beedogs 10y ago

I'm sure it'll be a much better experience than what Apple's got to offer these days. It's an absolute embarrassment what's happened to that company.

nodesocket 10y ago

Wow, compared to what manufacture do you think makes the best hardware then? Seems like you've got a personal rage with AAPL.

beedogs 10y ago
Seems to me you're being a bit presumptuous. I've been using Apple products since OS 7, and I've owned Apple products since 2006. So that's 10 years of brand loyalty, and thousands upon thousands of dollars in hardware purchases. I'm ready to give it all up and move back to Windows. Apple has been heading down the wrong path with their PCs for the past few years, with underperforming, overpriced, very buggy hardware and an increasingly annoying-to-use OS X, and this is the last straw for me.
- nodesocket 10y ago
  I'd be really curious to hear what specific buggy hardware or annoying features of OS X are an issue for you. I'll be the first to admit, the innovation in terms of using the latest and greatest hardware and software technologies has not been there for Apple. However, this has been the case for a long time since Apple does something genius. They let other companies test new markets, built first to market products, watch them struggle, refine, and evaluate the market. Then, when the timing is just perfect, and a frenzy has been created they release a new product. Their products are like the Mercedes-Benz of cars. Sure, they aren't as fast and high performance as Ferrari or Lamborghini, but they are quality built, reliable, familiar to owners, and pleasant to drive.
  - beedogs 10y ago
    > I'd be really curious to hear what specific buggy hardware or annoying features of OS X are an issue for you. Okay, here's the biggest of them all: audio applications no longer work reliably on new Apple hardware. Anything using a Haswell (or later) CPU has this issue. Dropouts, stuttering audio, crashes for no reason in Ableton Live and other apps. It's a common complaint, and it's the reason I actually downgraded my Macbook Pro from a late-2013 Haswell to an early-2013 non-Haswell model. The dropouts ceased. I can now record 24 bit audio without issue. I tried all manner of audio interfaces, thinking it must be a driver or third-party hardware issue. But it wasn't. Not only that, but the USB stack has deteriorated to the point where the keyboard and trackpad of my Haswell Retina MBP routinely stop working. The Wifi chip -- also connected via USB -- drops about 15-20% of all packets sent over it. Even the Thunderbolt port was flaky, oftentimes I'd lose every externally-connected device as well as the trackpad and keyboard. Powering off was the only way to fix it. It was even worse when I bought it, but a couple of firmware updates made it work just well enough that I didn't return it for a refund. I don't know whether it's a problem with Apple's drivers, Intel's chipset, or some awful combination of the two. All I know is, I'm not the only one who's had these issues. The Ableton forums are rife with people with these exact issues on any relatively new hardware. People swear up and down that their older Macs perform much better than their newer ones, even with things like AppNap (a pox upon it) disabled. I want Apple to succeed and I want to keep using their hardware, because I vastly prefer(red) OS X to Windows, but they seem to be working against me here in a big way. I gave it my best try, I really did. They've let me down recently. It's sad. I hope they can recover eventually.
  - spronkey 10y ago
    Not the OP, but personally affected by all of: 1) rMBP screengate, 2) rMBP video problem, 3) Mavericks "Service Battery", 4) MagSafe fraying, 5) 2008 MBP GPU, 6) 2007 MacBook plastic cracking. On the software side, I seem to encounter plenty of little frustrating bugs - like not being able to remove AirDrop from the finder sidebar. Or having my windows reposition themselves every time my machine sleeps while connected to an external display. I've filed many an unanswered bug report... I also feel like Apple's HCI has regressed quite a lot. They tweak Mission Control / Desktops / Spaces every damn release, but there are never any preferences to make it work how you want it to. Around about Mavericks it was near perfect. 10.10 made it glacially slow. 10.11 sped it up, but removed desktop previews. 10.12 has messed with the mouse gesture slowing the animation down, and rubberbanding on repeat gesture instead of closing. Wat. Then there's stuff like the replacement of iPhoto with Photos.... yikes. When you pair all the above with the ridiculously anti-consumer attitude Apple have toward their hardware now (it's 2016 and they are still using proprietary SSD blades, and glueing batteries?), it really pisses me off.