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While I'm not a fan either, don't confuse "what I want" with "what users want".

davesque 10y ago
That's what I'm saying though. I know that other people might want this, but I have a hard time understanding how that could be true. Did anyone really ask for it?
- rayiner 10y ago
  I want it! The butterfly keyboards are fantastic. If you hit a key on a corner, they don't "roll" like keyboards with more travel do. Also, they're thinner and all else being equal will allow for a bigger battery (or maintaining battery size while making the laptop thinner).
  - davesque 10y ago
    All true I guess. Personally, I never noticed any issues with hitting keys on the corner with the scissor-switches. It's never caused a single problem for me. On the other hand, the butterfly keys seem like they could cause RSI issues.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      How?
  - ant6n 10y ago
    What's the advantage of a laptop that's 12mm rather than 13mm?
    - idlewords 10y ago
      1mm!
    - redial 10y ago
      That's the thing, there is no advantage. But there certainly is an advantage going from ~24mm (original titanium powerbook) to ~13mm (macbook 12). And we only got here by reducing 1mm at a time.
      - ant6n 10y ago
        As far as a clamshell laptops go, going from 13mm to 4mm doesn't sound that useful though. Especially if in order to do it, I have to sacrifice key travel.
eslaught 10y ago
I buy clothes that follow fashion trends because when I go to the store there is often literally nothing else to buy, even if I don't particularly like it. I know a lot of people who behave similarly. Yes, I'm choosing to prioritize effort over preference here---the clothes might not be what I want but they're not actually bad enough to make me go to the effort to find better. Similarly, I will likely buy the new MacBook Pro despite some elements being unnecessary or suboptimal. The laptop is important enough to me that if the keyboard were actually bad enough to outweigh the other benefits I might be incentivized to go to eBay to buy a used one. But realistically, I'll probably survive just fine with the new keyboard. It just makes the experience less "magical" than it could be. And I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat.
- onion2k 10y ago
  I go to the store There's more than one store.
  - eertami 10y ago
    >There's more than one store. I mean, this is an Apple thread...
    - onion2k 10y ago
      Complaining that there are no nice keyboards when you're determined to buy an Apple laptop is like complaining that there aren't any clothes you like after you've decided to only shop at GAP. You can either shop elsewhere or put up with the limited offering. Or use an external keyboard (for your laptop, not your clothes).

That's what I'm saying though. I know that other people might want this, but I have a hard time understanding how that could be true. Did anyone really ask for it?

rayiner 10y ago
I want it! The butterfly keyboards are fantastic. If you hit a key on a corner, they don't "roll" like keyboards with more travel do. Also, they're thinner and all else being equal will allow for a bigger battery (or maintaining battery size while making the laptop thinner).
- davesque 10y ago
  All true I guess. Personally, I never noticed any issues with hitting keys on the corner with the scissor-switches. It's never caused a single problem for me. On the other hand, the butterfly keys seem like they could cause RSI issues.
  - rayiner 10y ago
    How?
- ant6n 10y ago
  What's the advantage of a laptop that's 12mm rather than 13mm?
  - idlewords 10y ago
    1mm!
  - redial 10y ago
    That's the thing, there is no advantage. But there certainly is an advantage going from ~24mm (original titanium powerbook) to ~13mm (macbook 12). And we only got here by reducing 1mm at a time.
    - ant6n 10y ago
      As far as a clamshell laptops go, going from 13mm to 4mm doesn't sound that useful though. Especially if in order to do it, I have to sacrifice key travel.

eslaught 10y ago

I buy clothes that follow fashion trends because when I go to the store there is often literally nothing else to buy, even if I don't particularly like it. I know a lot of people who behave similarly. Yes, I'm choosing to prioritize effort over preference here---the clothes might not be what I want but they're not actually bad enough to make me go to the effort to find better. Similarly, I will likely buy the new MacBook Pro despite some elements being unnecessary or suboptimal. The laptop is important enough to me that if the keyboard were actually bad enough to outweigh the other benefits I might be incentivized to go to eBay to buy a used one. But realistically, I'll probably survive just fine with the new keyboard. It just makes the experience less "magical" than it could be. And I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat.

onion2k 10y ago
I go to the store There's more than one store.
- eertami 10y ago
  >There's more than one store. I mean, this is an Apple thread...
  - onion2k 10y ago
    Complaining that there are no nice keyboards when you're determined to buy an Apple laptop is like complaining that there aren't any clothes you like after you've decided to only shop at GAP. You can either shop elsewhere or put up with the limited offering. Or use an external keyboard (for your laptop, not your clothes).