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> I have family that grew up under communism and they told me ... I guess that settles it. P.S. Your family did not grow up “under communism” unless they grew

by nzp 10y ago

> I have family that grew up under communism and they told me ... I guess that settles it. P.S. Your family did not grow up “under communism” unless they grew up in Ukrainian Free Territory[1] or Catalan and Aragon countryside during the Spanish Civil War[2], which are the two only socio-economic entities in modern history to reasonably approximate communism. What your family grew up in is state socialist Bolshevik dictatorship. If you're going to get all worked up about ideological wars, you should at least learn what these words mean, instead of blindly reproduce vulgar, politically illiterate Cold War obfuscations. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Aragon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Aragon

marcoperaza 10y ago
Spare me the No True Scotsman fallacies. In the Communist Manifesto, Marx lays out the agenda: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production...
- nzp 10y ago
  That you think this is a no true Scotsman fallacy just shows you have no idea what you're talking about and are just blindly ideologically raging. It's not a NTS fallacy, it's a words-have-non-arbitrary-meaning non-fallacy. The agenda you quote is about “Socialism“, or even more precisely “dictatorship of the proletariat”, the transitional period Marxists envision to precede communism. I'm not going to argue about that, I think history has shown how horrible of an idea it is. Communism is by definition a stateless (do notice how many times the state is mentioned in that agenda), classless society of free associations of producers and consumers with distribution and consumption based on “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need“ principle. Further reading: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-wage-system http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-wa...

by nzp 10y ago

marcoperaza 10y ago

Spare me the No True Scotsman fallacies. In the Communist Manifesto, Marx lays out the agenda: 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production...

nzp 10y ago
That you think this is a no true Scotsman fallacy just shows you have no idea what you're talking about and are just blindly ideologically raging. It's not a NTS fallacy, it's a words-have-non-arbitrary-meaning non-fallacy. The agenda you quote is about “Socialism“, or even more precisely “dictatorship of the proletariat”, the transitional period Marxists envision to precede communism. I'm not going to argue about that, I think history has shown how horrible of an idea it is. Communism is by definition a stateless (do notice how many times the state is mentioned in that agenda), classless society of free associations of producers and consumers with distribution and consumption based on “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need“ principle. Further reading: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-wage-system http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-wa...