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You could be a bit more civil in your comment and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I never said that Apple had pure or angelical motives for not wan

by mlongo 16y ago

You could be a bit more civil in your comment and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I never said that Apple had pure or angelical motives for not wanting Flash, I just pointed out that many sites are stripping out Flash, because Apple doesn’t support it, which is quite true. There are several references in this blog to sites that have started or completed projects to remove the need for Flash. I’m sorry that I’ve upset you with my opinion. I’m sure that if you wait long enough, a tablet that meets your standards, from a company that doesn’t have any kind of monopoly market position such as Microsoft or Google will come along and that it will be all that you dream of.

buster 16y ago
It's a good move if sites move away from flash. But it's another matter to disallow flash and air applications that could be a used to write platform independent applications. There is just a lot of assumptions and unproven statements in your post. I've heard that so many times, it sickens me. Some anecdote: A few months back, when Adobe announced Flash support on the iPhone, basically everyone in my circle of friends was like "woohoo, soon i'll be able to play those flashgames!". Now, everyone is just repeating the marketing talks, that flash is bad and whatnot. Basically i have the feeling that many people don't reflect what Steve is saying, they are just repeating the marketing talks. Basically, that's what is driving me mad. Also, i don't see a reason why a desktop OS wouldn't work on a tablet (except for the aforementioned appstore lock in). Display too small? Nope, works on small netbooks, too. Can't hit the buttons? No, i am currently sitting in front of Windows 7 and i can't spot a button that i couldn't hit with a finger. Links in Websites are usually way smaller then the buttons in the OS and you still can hit them on the iPad, don't you? Also, a few months back it was "oh no. Multitasking? That's sooo draining the battery, we won't allow that!". Now, that android poses a threat it's like "uhh, we miraculously implemented multitasking!". The real move behind holding back multitasking? Get people to use apples notifications, another factor that ties developers to apple and sends user data through their system. Another move to more lock in.
- mlongo 16y ago
  I didn't say Flash was bad, though I've had some bad experiences with the oddest bits of it consuming 30% of a code duo CPU. The article just states that sits are dropping flash, because Apple doesn't support it. It also states that people are not stopping to use iPhones because of it. If you know some people that didn't get an iPhone because it doesn't run Flash, okay. Apple's sales numbers say that those people aren't all that many. I've personally never seen anyone that avoided an iPhone because of that, though I'm sure these people exist.
  - buster 16y ago
    Ok, so you obviously do not know a few things: - The reason why the flash plugin hogs your cpu is because apple doesn't expose the proper hardware acceleration API: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_... Adobe would want to optimize the plugin but can't. - Why is it Adobes fault when your laptop becomes noisy under cpu load? Maybe you just don't need that fat cpu if you never use more than 30% of it? I don't know, but when i buy a device that is too noisy i don't blame software that makes use of it. In Apples world, this is of course not true. It's Adobes fault that your laptop is noisy. - Afaik, the solution for creating flash applications on the ipad would be very different from the plugin, as it would generate objective-c code that'd be compiled by the apple SDK About sites dropping Flash: I believe that the internet doesn't need apple to get rid of flash. The internet will eventually not use Flash for navigation or for Ads in the mid-term anyway. As soon as major browsers support everything that flash does. That's how the internet has been evolving for the last decades. First it used frames, then tables, then CSS. Why would flash hold its position if it's the inferior technology? And another question: If Apple thinks that flash on the web is evil: They could've said "ok, no flash plugin in the browser". But leave the rest intact. Let developers use whatever tools they want to build applications! Be it Flash, Air, Unigine and whatever programming language they want! It is, i repeat, not about what is the best experience for the user it is just about the money, no more, no less. Also, when flash is that bad. Why is it still supported under Mac OS X? I mean.. you should just get rid of flash on your laptop too. No? Of course not, Flash doesn't expose a threat to Apple on the Macbook, you are already buying your software elsewhere.

by mlongo 16y ago

buster 16y ago

It's a good move if sites move away from flash. But it's another matter to disallow flash and air applications that could be a used to write platform independent applications. There is just a lot of assumptions and unproven statements in your post. I've heard that so many times, it sickens me. Some anecdote: A few months back, when Adobe announced Flash support on the iPhone, basically everyone in my circle of friends was like "woohoo, soon i'll be able to play those flashgames!". Now, everyone is just repeating the marketing talks, that flash is bad and whatnot. Basically i have the feeling that many people don't reflect what Steve is saying, they are just repeating the marketing talks. Basically, that's what is driving me mad. Also, i don't see a reason why a desktop OS wouldn't work on a tablet (except for the aforementioned appstore lock in). Display too small? Nope, works on small netbooks, too. Can't hit the buttons? No, i am currently sitting in front of Windows 7 and i can't spot a button that i couldn't hit with a finger. Links in Websites are usually way smaller then the buttons in the OS and you still can hit them on the iPad, don't you? Also, a few months back it was "oh no. Multitasking? That's sooo draining the battery, we won't allow that!". Now, that android poses a threat it's like "uhh, we miraculously implemented multitasking!". The real move behind holding back multitasking? Get people to use apples notifications, another factor that ties developers to apple and sends user data through their system. Another move to more lock in.

mlongo 16y ago
I didn't say Flash was bad, though I've had some bad experiences with the oddest bits of it consuming 30% of a code duo CPU. The article just states that sits are dropping flash, because Apple doesn't support it. It also states that people are not stopping to use iPhones because of it. If you know some people that didn't get an iPhone because it doesn't run Flash, okay. Apple's sales numbers say that those people aren't all that many. I've personally never seen anyone that avoided an iPhone because of that, though I'm sure these people exist.
- buster 16y ago
  Ok, so you obviously do not know a few things: - The reason why the flash plugin hogs your cpu is because apple doesn't expose the proper hardware acceleration API: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_... Adobe would want to optimize the plugin but can't. - Why is it Adobes fault when your laptop becomes noisy under cpu load? Maybe you just don't need that fat cpu if you never use more than 30% of it? I don't know, but when i buy a device that is too noisy i don't blame software that makes use of it. In Apples world, this is of course not true. It's Adobes fault that your laptop is noisy. - Afaik, the solution for creating flash applications on the ipad would be very different from the plugin, as it would generate objective-c code that'd be compiled by the apple SDK About sites dropping Flash: I believe that the internet doesn't need apple to get rid of flash. The internet will eventually not use Flash for navigation or for Ads in the mid-term anyway. As soon as major browsers support everything that flash does. That's how the internet has been evolving for the last decades. First it used frames, then tables, then CSS. Why would flash hold its position if it's the inferior technology? And another question: If Apple thinks that flash on the web is evil: They could've said "ok, no flash plugin in the browser". But leave the rest intact. Let developers use whatever tools they want to build applications! Be it Flash, Air, Unigine and whatever programming language they want! It is, i repeat, not about what is the best experience for the user it is just about the money, no more, no less. Also, when flash is that bad. Why is it still supported under Mac OS X? I mean.. you should just get rid of flash on your laptop too. No? Of course not, Flash doesn't expose a threat to Apple on the Macbook, you are already buying your software elsewhere.