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Personally, I'm more function over form so and I can't imagine having a bezel-less phone that won't be a nightmare to use (using one hand).

by kbody 10y ago

JoelBennett 10y ago
That's what I wonder about as well. I suppose with some smarts, it might be possible to ignore touches along the edge when it is held a certain way, but why unnecessarily complicate things? Even a 4 mm bezel would be fine.
inlineint 10y ago
I think machine learning can be employed to filter out accidental touches from the meaningful ones. It is already done in iPad Pro that allows to use Apple Pencil while holding your hand on the screen, and still detects meaningful touches.
- jafingi 10y ago
  Apple also implemented the same feature when the iPad mini (2012) came out [1] [1] http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-has-advanced-software-detect-unintended-touches-around-screens-bezel http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-has-advanced-software-detect-...
- semi-extrinsic 10y ago
  s/machine learning/bunch of if-then-else statements/
yoz-y 10y ago
One way to do so is to make the UI in a way that it does not have anything actionable on the bezels. Kind of a "virtual" bezel.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Then honestly what's the point? You are going to sacrifice structural integrity and add cost and complexity. A virtual bezel is about as "useful" as using virtual buttons on an Android device that has physical capacitive buttons, I never understood why people do that.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - canuckintime 10y ago
    Why have whitespace in design? (Because it's aesthetically beautiful that's why which contributes to easier to read i.e. function) Pro tip: Apple had been using software to analyze unintended edge touches and reduce the impact of thinner bezels since the first iPad mini. You'll get used to a non bezels pretty quickly (and Android is better for one-handed use than iOS)
  - jonknee 10y ago
    > Then honestly what's the point? You are going to sacrifice structural integrity and add cost and complexity. You get a big screen in a smaller form factor. Photos/videos will look great without a large bezel and it will fit better in your pocket.
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    Displaying information. A couple millimeters at the edge of the screen acting as display-only won't make much difference to your interaction, but you'dd be able to fit a larger display into a smaller chassis. That sounds like a win to me.
serg_chernata 10y ago
I'm not a fan either but Galaxy S Edge is quite popular and I think it has sides that are far more prone to unintended interactions. Yet, I never hear of anyone having that issue.
- romanhn 10y ago
  I have the Edge and frankly i hate this gimmick precisely for that reason. Never used cases on my previous phones, but will be looking for one this time. Love the extra large battery though, so it's not all bad.
- taivokasper 10y ago
  I am having that issue with Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. Whenever the screen is unresponsive it is because you are accidentally touching some part of the screen with your palm.
- skykooler 10y ago
  Man, the Edge would be a great phone to run Sailfish OS on with the swipes that it uses.
- aedron 10y ago
  I have an S6 edge and I regret that purchase pretty much every day, specifically because i can't pick up the phone without causing a touch event somehow. Love the design though, so if they just made the side edges touch-free I would be happy.
mhurron 10y ago
First thing I do with any phone is put it in a case. Bezel-less is irrelevant to me, I'm going to put one in place. 'Thinnest phone ever' is similarly meaningless to me for the same reasons. I don't want a phone that feels like I'm going to snap it in half simply by using it.
- semi-extrinsic 10y ago
  iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones, including me and my wife's $150 Moto G3s that get thrown around by our kids. And I do get quite some amusement out of a product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features always being carried in a thick ugly plastic/silicon bumper case by essentially everyone.
  - ksk 10y ago
    That's a moot point seeing as there is a large demand for cases for all kinds of smartphones. Most people I know use a case. Last time I checked, it was something like >50% of all smartphone users.
  - mhurron 10y ago
    > iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones I've had both, and cases go on both. > product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features Pretty sure I just said the svelte part meant nothing to me. I also really don't give a damn about the design of the phone beyond its size, I care about it's features and using it.
  - Florin_Andrei 10y ago
    > I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones Me neither, but some people just manage somehow to smash a lot of phones at a record pace. No idea how they do it. There's a market for phone bumpers, and there's a reason for it.
    - vacri 10y ago
fumar 10y ago
I had the Galaxy Note 7, an almost bezel-less phone, and did not encounter any issue with accidental touches. I expect bezels to continue diminishing. This will help create easier to hold devices (smaller) while keeping healthy sized screens (5").

Personally, I'm more function over form so and I can't imagine having a bezel-less phone that won't be a nightmare to use (using one hand).

by kbody 10y ago

Personally, I'm more function over form so and I can't imagine having a bezel-less phone that won't be a nightmare to use (using one hand).

JoelBennett 10y ago

That's what I wonder about as well. I suppose with some smarts, it might be possible to ignore touches along the edge when it is held a certain way, but why unnecessarily complicate things? Even a 4 mm bezel would be fine.

inlineint 10y ago

I think machine learning can be employed to filter out accidental touches from the meaningful ones. It is already done in iPad Pro that allows to use Apple Pencil while holding your hand on the screen, and still detects meaningful touches.

jafingi 10y ago
Apple also implemented the same feature when the iPad mini (2012) came out [1] [1] http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-has-advanced-software-detect-unintended-touches-around-screens-bezel http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-has-advanced-software-detect-...
semi-extrinsic 10y ago
s/machine learning/bunch of if-then-else statements/

yoz-y 10y ago

One way to do so is to make the UI in a way that it does not have anything actionable on the bezels. Kind of a "virtual" bezel.

dogma1138 10y ago
Then honestly what's the point? You are going to sacrifice structural integrity and add cost and complexity. A virtual bezel is about as "useful" as using virtual buttons on an Android device that has physical capacitive buttons, I never understood why people do that.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- canuckintime 10y ago
  Why have whitespace in design? (Because it's aesthetically beautiful that's why which contributes to easier to read i.e. function) Pro tip: Apple had been using software to analyze unintended edge touches and reduce the impact of thinner bezels since the first iPad mini. You'll get used to a non bezels pretty quickly (and Android is better for one-handed use than iOS)
- jonknee 10y ago
  > Then honestly what's the point? You are going to sacrifice structural integrity and add cost and complexity. You get a big screen in a smaller form factor. Photos/videos will look great without a large bezel and it will fit better in your pocket.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  Displaying information. A couple millimeters at the edge of the screen acting as display-only won't make much difference to your interaction, but you'dd be able to fit a larger display into a smaller chassis. That sounds like a win to me.

serg_chernata 10y ago

I'm not a fan either but Galaxy S Edge is quite popular and I think it has sides that are far more prone to unintended interactions. Yet, I never hear of anyone having that issue.

romanhn 10y ago
I have the Edge and frankly i hate this gimmick precisely for that reason. Never used cases on my previous phones, but will be looking for one this time. Love the extra large battery though, so it's not all bad.
taivokasper 10y ago
I am having that issue with Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. Whenever the screen is unresponsive it is because you are accidentally touching some part of the screen with your palm.
skykooler 10y ago
Man, the Edge would be a great phone to run Sailfish OS on with the swipes that it uses.
aedron 10y ago
I have an S6 edge and I regret that purchase pretty much every day, specifically because i can't pick up the phone without causing a touch event somehow. Love the design though, so if they just made the side edges touch-free I would be happy.

mhurron 10y ago

First thing I do with any phone is put it in a case. Bezel-less is irrelevant to me, I'm going to put one in place. 'Thinnest phone ever' is similarly meaningless to me for the same reasons. I don't want a phone that feels like I'm going to snap it in half simply by using it.

semi-extrinsic 10y ago
iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones, including me and my wife's $150 Moto G3s that get thrown around by our kids. And I do get quite some amusement out of a product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features always being carried in a thick ugly plastic/silicon bumper case by essentially everyone.
- ksk 10y ago
  That's a moot point seeing as there is a large demand for cases for all kinds of smartphones. Most people I know use a case. Last time I checked, it was something like >50% of all smartphone users.
- mhurron 10y ago
  > iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones I've had both, and cases go on both. > product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features Pretty sure I just said the svelte part meant nothing to me. I also really don't give a damn about the design of the phone beyond its size, I care about it's features and using it.
- Florin_Andrei 10y ago
  > I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones Me neither, but some people just manage somehow to smash a lot of phones at a record pace. No idea how they do it. There's a market for phone bumpers, and there's a reason for it.
  - vacri 10y ago

fumar 10y ago

I had the Galaxy Note 7, an almost bezel-less phone, and did not encounter any issue with accidental touches. I expect bezels to continue diminishing. This will help create easier to hold devices (smaller) while keeping healthy sized screens (5").