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The demise of Flash killed plenty of online interactive art project, unfortunately. HTML5 didn't replace Flash as a medium for artistic experiments on the web,

by aikah 10y ago

The demise of Flash killed plenty of online interactive art project, unfortunately. HTML5 didn't replace Flash as a medium for artistic experiments on the web, or it performs so bad on decent computers it's just useless.

sp332 10y ago
I really don't think that's true. Flash performance was never near-native and JS is usually within 2x native once the JIT warms up. And people are still making tons of art, off the top of my head: http://js1k.com/ http://js1k.com/ http://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/ http://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/ http://dryad.technology/ http://dryad.technology/
- aikah 10y ago
  You linked to random stuff I have no interest in. these stuff aren't what I would call interactive experiences flash style. I'm talking about the blending of video, 3d vector graphics and motion graphics that could be run on a 2000 low end pc 16 years ago. Your js stuff don't impress me.
  - sp332 10y ago
    Do you have some examples?
0xcde4c3db 10y ago
To me the big thing is that even if it had been pulled off beautifully, the HTML5 transition doesn't say anything about the existing corpus of .SWF content. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, it wasn't all streaming video, spinning logos, and mystery meat widgets; people actually made stuff in Flash that was meant to stand on its own, not just be a component of a website. Open source .SWF players exist, but are tremendously under-resourced and have been struggling with compatibility and performance problems for years. Basically, .SWF is the .DOC of interactive animation.
- cableshaft 10y ago
  I've got several Flash games I made a long time ago that I'd love to update, but it seems that HTML5 just isn't up to snuff for the art and animation heavy games I had (not to mention it would take forever to export all of that art and animation). It sucks, because as I get older I have less time and energy and more and more competing projects that compete with that limited time.
  - sp332 10y ago
    I heard Adobe's authoring tool now has HTML5 export. I hoped that would make the transition easier.

by aikah 10y ago

sp332 10y ago

I really don't think that's true. Flash performance was never near-native and JS is usually within 2x native once the JIT warms up. And people are still making tons of art, off the top of my head: http://js1k.com/ http://js1k.com/ http://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/ http://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/ http://dryad.technology/ http://dryad.technology/

aikah 10y ago
You linked to random stuff I have no interest in. these stuff aren't what I would call interactive experiences flash style. I'm talking about the blending of video, 3d vector graphics and motion graphics that could be run on a 2000 low end pc 16 years ago. Your js stuff don't impress me.
- sp332 10y ago
  Do you have some examples?

0xcde4c3db 10y ago

To me the big thing is that even if it had been pulled off beautifully, the HTML5 transition doesn't say anything about the existing corpus of .SWF content. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, it wasn't all streaming video, spinning logos, and mystery meat widgets; people actually made stuff in Flash that was meant to stand on its own, not just be a component of a website. Open source .SWF players exist, but are tremendously under-resourced and have been struggling with compatibility and performance problems for years. Basically, .SWF is the .DOC of interactive animation.

cableshaft 10y ago
I've got several Flash games I made a long time ago that I'd love to update, but it seems that HTML5 just isn't up to snuff for the art and animation heavy games I had (not to mention it would take forever to export all of that art and animation). It sucks, because as I get older I have less time and energy and more and more competing projects that compete with that limited time.
- sp332 10y ago
  I heard Adobe's authoring tool now has HTML5 export. I hoped that would make the transition easier.