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Can't speak much for the project, but have to admire them for sticking with Mandarin. India is atleast a 100-200 years away from something of this kind happeni

Can't speak much for the project, but have to admire them for sticking with Mandarin. India is atleast a 100-200 years away from something of this kind happening; or more likely never at all. Indeed, there is not a single research university worth its name that isn't also essentially an export hub of brains to the 5-eyes (& Singapore). English is crucial for India's system of feudal slavery to work.

FraaJad 10y ago
Why would India use Mandarin? English is the most common script in India, why would we use anything else. Unless you are Hindian trying to impose your minority language on the rest of us.
- gnipgnip 10y ago
  Wow. Just wow. - English is hardly the "most common script". Just because the retainers in Delhi impose the colonial apparatus on us, doesn't automagically give it "statistical power" as well. - Every state has a (poor, uneducated, illiterate) captive linguistic population more than that of Korea; no reason they ought to use Hindi, nor even Nagari (script != language, in case your education didn't tell you that). - Among the rich, yes, English is most common, and this is really what matters in the end, aint it ? This is precisely why India will never be able to work in its own language, and also precisely why it is doomed to eternal poverty and continued illiteracy. Probably will remain a hub exporting little other than people, for the next couple centuries. (See: https://youtu.be/SJx0KFtm9Rw?t=21m56s https://youtu.be/SJx0KFtm9Rw?t=21m56s) And this is why I admire China. It's not democratic, it has a paranoid regime, but at least they aren't run by hypocrites who'd use a "socialist democracy" as cover for continued colonization. > trying to impose your minority language on the rest of us. Your skills in generating irony amuse me.
  - wstrange 10y ago
    Note the debate you are having with the GP is in English. For better or worse, English is the common language for software development (and aviation, etc.)
    - gnipgnip 10y ago
      > Note the debate you are having with the GP is in English. You don't say ? > For better or worse, English is the common language for software development (and aviation, etc.) English in India is more dense than the feudal castes of medieval Europe; hardly a professional thing this. The Human-rights wallahs don't complain precisely because the current state of affairs benefits the nations that control them; much as it does their native retainers.
erikb 10y ago
I don't think they stick to Mandarin because they want to. English is considered hip and intellectual in China, especially in the first tier cities which I suppose the developers of such modern technology are. But the problem is that English is really, really hard for Chinese native speakers, since grammar, words, culture and pronunciation are so different from all the Chinese languages. So as a team leader or project manager in China I would probably also stick with Chinese since it is much easier to find really good and not too expensive employees that way. Let them try to use English, support the ambition, but don't enforce it. And I don't know much about India but from what I heard is that it is more a cultural issue that India lacks behind. Everything is (so I heard) still very traditional and backward focussed. While China as a country spent 20-30 years to become more open for new ideas and approaches. How true is that from other people's perspective here?
- gnipgnip 10y ago
  There are deep social divisions in India, considering its tortured (and propagandized) history. http://sankrant.org/2011/03/the-english-class-system-2/ http://sankrant.org/2011/03/the-english-class-system-2/ There are systematic faults, which prevent much change, if the current policies are kept up (note: India's literacy rate is ~78 %, since literacy (except in English) brings no great advantage). http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/how-english-ruined-indian-literature.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/how-english... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/11/06/the-problem-with-the-english-language-in-india/&refURL=https://duckduckgo.com/&referrer=https://duckduckgo.com/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/11/06/the-problem-... Imagine China, with only the expensive class of engineers, for instance. Or atleast, one with this class, and another class that was educated in English, but barely knows the language, let alone possessed of any usable skill. There are now villages, driven by this economics, where rural-children are being taught in English. Considering how bad the Japanese/Chinese are with English, it shouldn't be hard to interpolate how disabling this is when everything is being taught in a foreign language.
giis 10y ago
>India is atleast a 100-200 years away from something of this kind happening; or more likely never at all. What do you mean this statement? Do you even know GlusterFS (later became RedHat Storage) developed from India. First try to understand the context before starting your racist rants. Disclaimer : I'm Ex-GlusterFS dev.
- gnipgnip 10y ago
  That India is a linguistic-apartheid state doesn't contradict with the fact that the creme de la creme is quite good (very apparent from the population in the US).

FraaJad 10y ago

Why would India use Mandarin? English is the most common script in India, why would we use anything else. Unless you are Hindian trying to impose your minority language on the rest of us.

gnipgnip 10y ago
Wow. Just wow. - English is hardly the "most common script". Just because the retainers in Delhi impose the colonial apparatus on us, doesn't automagically give it "statistical power" as well. - Every state has a (poor, uneducated, illiterate) captive linguistic population more than that of Korea; no reason they ought to use Hindi, nor even Nagari (script != language, in case your education didn't tell you that). - Among the rich, yes, English is most common, and this is really what matters in the end, aint it ? This is precisely why India will never be able to work in its own language, and also precisely why it is doomed to eternal poverty and continued illiteracy. Probably will remain a hub exporting little other than people, for the next couple centuries. (See: https://youtu.be/SJx0KFtm9Rw?t=21m56s https://youtu.be/SJx0KFtm9Rw?t=21m56s) And this is why I admire China. It's not democratic, it has a paranoid regime, but at least they aren't run by hypocrites who'd use a "socialist democracy" as cover for continued colonization. > trying to impose your minority language on the rest of us. Your skills in generating irony amuse me.
- wstrange 10y ago
  Note the debate you are having with the GP is in English. For better or worse, English is the common language for software development (and aviation, etc.)
  - gnipgnip 10y ago
    > Note the debate you are having with the GP is in English. You don't say ? > For better or worse, English is the common language for software development (and aviation, etc.) English in India is more dense than the feudal castes of medieval Europe; hardly a professional thing this. The Human-rights wallahs don't complain precisely because the current state of affairs benefits the nations that control them; much as it does their native retainers.

erikb 10y ago

I don't think they stick to Mandarin because they want to. English is considered hip and intellectual in China, especially in the first tier cities which I suppose the developers of such modern technology are. But the problem is that English is really, really hard for Chinese native speakers, since grammar, words, culture and pronunciation are so different from all the Chinese languages. So as a team leader or project manager in China I would probably also stick with Chinese since it is much easier to find really good and not too expensive employees that way. Let them try to use English, support the ambition, but don't enforce it. And I don't know much about India but from what I heard is that it is more a cultural issue that India lacks behind. Everything is (so I heard) still very traditional and backward focussed. While China as a country spent 20-30 years to become more open for new ideas and approaches. How true is that from other people's perspective here?

gnipgnip 10y ago
There are deep social divisions in India, considering its tortured (and propagandized) history. http://sankrant.org/2011/03/the-english-class-system-2/ http://sankrant.org/2011/03/the-english-class-system-2/ There are systematic faults, which prevent much change, if the current policies are kept up (note: India's literacy rate is ~78 %, since literacy (except in English) brings no great advantage). http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/how-english-ruined-indian-literature.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/how-english... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/11/06/the-problem-with-the-english-language-in-india/&refURL=https://duckduckgo.com/&referrer=https://duckduckgo.com/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/11/06/the-problem-... Imagine China, with only the expensive class of engineers, for instance. Or atleast, one with this class, and another class that was educated in English, but barely knows the language, let alone possessed of any usable skill. There are now villages, driven by this economics, where rural-children are being taught in English. Considering how bad the Japanese/Chinese are with English, it shouldn't be hard to interpolate how disabling this is when everything is being taught in a foreign language.

giis 10y ago

>India is atleast a 100-200 years away from something of this kind happening; or more likely never at all. What do you mean this statement? Do you even know GlusterFS (later became RedHat Storage) developed from India. First try to understand the context before starting your racist rants. Disclaimer : I'm Ex-GlusterFS dev.

gnipgnip 10y ago
That India is a linguistic-apartheid state doesn't contradict with the fact that the creme de la creme is quite good (very apparent from the population in the US).