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Redefining well understood terms is also not a great place for the discussion to start.

by gozur88 10y ago

Mz 10y ago
I actually looked the term up online and copied and pasted it here because I generally agree with you that this is not a great use of the term (see my own previous blog post where I bitch about something similar: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-woman-rants-about-man-bashy-stuff.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-woman-rant...). But, really, as someone who is very openly female on this forum, I am finding the discussion here kind of threatening and dismissive. The comments here create an impression that many men kind of think "Eh, no big deal feeling a woman up virtually. It isn't like it's REALLY sexual assault." And I have been downvoted and your remark here has apparently been upvoted, which implies a general attitude of the overarching crowd, not just an isolated opinion being expressed. It is no wonder so many women are afraid of not only participation in VR, but even openly participating in many male dominated internet spaces.
- x1798DE 10y ago
  > The comments here create an impression that many men kind of think "Eh, no big deal feeling a woman up virtually. It isn't like it's REALLY sexual assault." I don't think anyone has at all insinuated that this would be acceptable behaviour, people are just reacting to the editorialized headline claiming this is sexual assault, which is a term generally used for more serious offenses. In the same way that people would almost certainly react the same way if you claimed that you were assaulted when someone knocked the books out of your hands. Technically true and no one is on the other guy's side, but (in that situation), you'd be being melodramatic. I think it goes without saying that this sort of behavior is rude and annoying, but honestly it's not any different than other rude and annoying behaviour engaged in by immature people, whether they are tea bagging your avatar or calling you a faggot on the chat.
  - Mz 10y ago
    No, it doesn't go without saying and thank you for saying it because every single reply to me has been essentially dismissive. This is what a lot of women mean when they talk about rape culture. And I find it enormously frustrating that no one here seems to see why a woman would feel that a group of presumably all men responding in a consistently dismissive fashion would create a threatening atmosphere that has the potential to encourage bad behavior towards women of the sort described in the article.

Redefining well understood terms is also not a great place for the discussion to start.

by gozur88 10y ago

Redefining well understood terms is also not a great place for the discussion to start.

Mz 10y ago

I actually looked the term up online and copied and pasted it here because I generally agree with you that this is not a great use of the term (see my own previous blog post where I bitch about something similar: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-woman-rants-about-man-bashy-stuff.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-woman-rant...). But, really, as someone who is very openly female on this forum, I am finding the discussion here kind of threatening and dismissive. The comments here create an impression that many men kind of think "Eh, no big deal feeling a woman up virtually. It isn't like it's REALLY sexual assault." And I have been downvoted and your remark here has apparently been upvoted, which implies a general attitude of the overarching crowd, not just an isolated opinion being expressed. It is no wonder so many women are afraid of not only participation in VR, but even openly participating in many male dominated internet spaces.

x1798DE 10y ago
> The comments here create an impression that many men kind of think "Eh, no big deal feeling a woman up virtually. It isn't like it's REALLY sexual assault." I don't think anyone has at all insinuated that this would be acceptable behaviour, people are just reacting to the editorialized headline claiming this is sexual assault, which is a term generally used for more serious offenses. In the same way that people would almost certainly react the same way if you claimed that you were assaulted when someone knocked the books out of your hands. Technically true and no one is on the other guy's side, but (in that situation), you'd be being melodramatic. I think it goes without saying that this sort of behavior is rude and annoying, but honestly it's not any different than other rude and annoying behaviour engaged in by immature people, whether they are tea bagging your avatar or calling you a faggot on the chat.
- Mz 10y ago
  No, it doesn't go without saying and thank you for saying it because every single reply to me has been essentially dismissive. This is what a lot of women mean when they talk about rape culture. And I find it enormously frustrating that no one here seems to see why a woman would feel that a group of presumably all men responding in a consistently dismissive fashion would create a threatening atmosphere that has the potential to encourage bad behavior towards women of the sort described in the article.