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I did read the article. But I didn't consider the first bit as a throwaway, and this might be the key issue here. If there's a situation where priming might wor

by tpeo 10y ago

I did read the article. But I didn't consider the first bit as a throwaway, and this might be the key issue here. If there's a situation where priming might work, it's when the person being primed has either no particular opinion on that issue or when they're in agreement with it. I personally have strong priors against the effectiveness of advertisement and propaganda. I don't think the effects of these things are robust to different behavioural patterns and to increases in public awareness. So I didn't think of the first paragraph as a 'throwaway' bit.

logicallee 10y ago
you strike me as someone who's reasonable and willing to change their mind if they see a new angle. So you seemed to be saying that the author wrote a whole article on how one can be much more persuasive by getting someone to agree to some general statement without actually expressing something particular about it -- without the author actually then doing so. :) I mean, it would be like reading an article about how "short titles are better" so you agree with all of the points, then as a final check you scroll up to the top of the page and see that the article is titled "How shorter titles increase clickthrough rates, sharing rates, impact score, reading of the full article, and are basically better in every way -- according to research by Facebook." A long article about how short titles are better, but where the article itself doesn't have one. That would be an example of an article not practicing what it preaches. How about our article? Do you think it does or doesn't "practice what it preaches"? Does it try to "pre-suade" some measure of agreement? Does it start by talking about general statements, before it gets into its thesis? What do you think?
- firethief 10y ago
  > you strike me as someone who's reasonable and willing to change their mind if they see a new angle. Nice try, Sadat!
  - logicallee 10y ago
    shhhh. :-D Yes, I applied the tool the article was about to see if it would work. (It's probably the first time I've ever used that formula in my life.) You'll notice the poster let it be (if they noticed my reply). I'd like to see it in action though, so it would be better if they chose to reply so I could get that data point haha. I'll probably forget to start using it soon.
BeetleB 10y ago
>If there's a situation where priming might work, it's when the person being primed has either no particular opinion on that issue or when they're in agreement with it. That's generally true. However, that's often the case in salary and pricing negotiations. Unless you have done your research first, you will be influenced by priming. I bought a house. I'm not good at handy work. I need to hire a handyman to repair a few things. Do you know how difficult it is to get a good estimate on how much repairs should cost? There's a skill building workshop I want to attend. With these kinds of workshops, you usually attend only once, so you don't have prior experience with costs. What should I pay?

by tpeo 10y ago

logicallee 10y ago

you strike me as someone who's reasonable and willing to change their mind if they see a new angle. So you seemed to be saying that the author wrote a whole article on how one can be much more persuasive by getting someone to agree to some general statement without actually expressing something particular about it -- without the author actually then doing so. :) I mean, it would be like reading an article about how "short titles are better" so you agree with all of the points, then as a final check you scroll up to the top of the page and see that the article is titled "How shorter titles increase clickthrough rates, sharing rates, impact score, reading of the full article, and are basically better in every way -- according to research by Facebook." A long article about how short titles are better, but where the article itself doesn't have one. That would be an example of an article not practicing what it preaches. How about our article? Do you think it does or doesn't "practice what it preaches"? Does it try to "pre-suade" some measure of agreement? Does it start by talking about general statements, before it gets into its thesis? What do you think?

firethief 10y ago
> you strike me as someone who's reasonable and willing to change their mind if they see a new angle. Nice try, Sadat!
- logicallee 10y ago
  shhhh. :-D Yes, I applied the tool the article was about to see if it would work. (It's probably the first time I've ever used that formula in my life.) You'll notice the poster let it be (if they noticed my reply). I'd like to see it in action though, so it would be better if they chose to reply so I could get that data point haha. I'll probably forget to start using it soon.

BeetleB 10y ago

>If there's a situation where priming might work, it's when the person being primed has either no particular opinion on that issue or when they're in agreement with it. That's generally true. However, that's often the case in salary and pricing negotiations. Unless you have done your research first, you will be influenced by priming. I bought a house. I'm not good at handy work. I need to hire a handyman to repair a few things. Do you know how difficult it is to get a good estimate on how much repairs should cost? There's a skill building workshop I want to attend. With these kinds of workshops, you usually attend only once, so you don't have prior experience with costs. What should I pay?