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Show HN: A Simple Highway Simulator
- lucb1e 10y agoSome bugs (cars not always breaking when another is standing still ahead; cars crashing at the beginning if you hit launch too quickly), but overall a fun toy to play with. I would like to know what realistic values are though: I know that 200ms reaction time is a good case, but what are actual average cases? It should be set to that by default. Or acceleration speed, is 5km/h realistic? 10? When set to 5, I cannot simulate a normal highway (they'll never go over 100) because the track is fairly short.
- zodPod 10y agoI think the braking is a feature not a bug. See the "reaction time" I'd assume that means that some just aren't reacting in time to not hit the car ahead.
- lucb1e 10y agoThat might be, I don't know when they would have started to break but they were extremely late if ever. But perhaps it was well within the reaction time I set (350ms), for me it's easy to think they just kept driving because I saw them coming from afar.
- maxerickson 10y agoLots of cars do 15 km/h/s (that's a 0-60 mph time of ~6 seconds). A basic Honda Civic will be around 9 or 10 seconds, which is roughly 10 km/h/s. 5 km/h/s would feel pretty sluggish.
- anentropic 10y agohow many people routinely accelerate at the full rate their car is capable of, every time they accelerate on the public roads?
- nercht12 10y agoWhat about prioritizing vehicles? Imagine - if all cars drive along in a well-defined path, will we end up with making assassinations easier? That's a stretch (I mean, not like exceptions couldn't be made for POTUS and such), but I wonder about what sort of consequences would arise from having predictable traffic.
- shocks 10y agoIt'd be interesting to implement lane discipline and see how one bad driver effects the rest.
- ajmurmann 10y agoYes, please! I suspect lack of lane discipline to be the single biggest disadvantage US freeways have to American's. I would love to test that at least via simulation. I would expect that two lanes with lane discipline are better than three without. Potentially even better than four.
- JadeNB 10y ago> I suspect lack of lane discipline to be the single biggest disadvantage US freeways have to American's. I guess one of 'US' or 'American' is a typo, but (not being an international driver) I'm not sure which one ….
- sparky_ 10y agoVery interesting, for sure.
- puddintane 10y agoWhat is the number for the Simple Highway Police Department, I just witnessed 3 hit and runs back-to-back and would like to report them! Neat idea and while it's still at a very basic stage it'll be cool to see this evolve into something that could eventually be used by traffic controllers!
- zodPod 10y agoThis is cool! I always wanted to make something like this for intersections and randomize the response time in an effort to prove whether or not people who pull out slower at red lights cause others to miss the lights or not. Just a neat experiment as well!
- catshirt 10y agowhy would you need to simulate that problem? the answer is yes- you can miss a green light if someone accelerates too slowly.
- striking 10y agoSet the driver reaction time to 500ms, with 90 cars launched a minute, and you'll see what my daily commute is like.
- gerdesj 10y agoEastbourne at rush hour? (It's a rubbish joke: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27066299 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27066299)
- erentz 10y agoThose cars are using indicators, this is clearly not based in California.
- gerdesj 10y agoThe dev is Swiss and holidaying in Spain.
- eb0la 10y agoThen he's not driving in Spain. Same as California here. Probably like the rest of the world except Switzerland :-(
- julianwachholz 10y agoDon't worry, we have BMW drivers here, too.
- jeron 10y agoAs a Californian that uses indicators religiously, I'm glad I'm not part of the stereotype
- holierthenthou 10y agoHey, I saw you driving through my area today using your signals, yes. Thank you!
- foota 10y agoI'm visiting California right now, and this is painfully true.
- zoom6628 10y agoIts principles also hold up for drivers in China. Guess the chinese love copying american things right down to driving just as badly :-D Anyway, jokes aside, this has a lot more uses than proof we are all bad drivers. I can this being a great simple way to show queues in a factory/shop/office coffee machine . Awesome work and i wish i as 5% as good at coding to be able to do this when on holiday. On my hols i would be lucky to get past hello world. Kudos to this guy.
- fatdog 10y agoLove how sitting in the passing lane at a speed %10 lower than target causes cascading collisions. If driving causes cancer, at least the people who drive in the passing lane (the left one) deserve it.
- robmiller 10y agoI'm most interested by the umlaut in the domain name that apparently isn't respected by HN. Also a way to restrict your domain name to certain keyboards (easily)?
- cpeterso 10y agoIf you launch new cars too quickly, they start blowing up. :)
- jtolmar 10y agoHere's something fun and counter-intuitive: From default settings, set speed variance to 50%, launch frequency to 120 cars/minute, and reaction time to 500ms. Unsurprisingly, this is chaos. Then, keeping those settings, clear the cars and set the target speed to 150km/h. The traffic mostly clears up! Since the cars are going faster, they leave the road sooner, meaning fewer are on the road at a time, fixing most problems. (Of course, in real life, this also makes the accidents that do occur worse.)
- buzzybee 10y agoSomething this sim doesn't model that plays a large role in real accidents is the speed differentials during merges. If an offramp moves too slowly and gets fully congested, it starts spreading onto the highway, compounding the problem. Playing Cities: Skylines I've noticed a similar problem when I try to use roundabouts. They're idealized as a way to keep traffic flowing in busy intersections by imposing no stops, but if they surpass a critical mass of congestion, the whole thing stalls, creating a problem worse than stop lights. (The Cities traffic model is pretty close to how a robocar might behave, as they are polite drivers able to execute apparently dangerous merges with 0% chance of collision, but also have the problem of not detouring when the ideal route becomes congested. As a result, you have to design your city to be decent at diffusing traffic early and not rely on wide roads to do that job.)
- mjevans 10y agoHave they fixed the problem where that 'ideal route' even includes not merging left to pass around a stalled lane? It's been seemingly forever since I built a city.
- Bdiem 10y agoThese settings left me with a neverending accident on one lane.
- netsharc 10y agoThis might depend on your screen size, on my screen the crashes occur on the right edge of the road.
- legohead 10y agoNice. I've wanted to do something like this, as I have a theory about the car pool lanes being worse for traffic. When traffic is bad, car pool lanes are just as backed up typically. When someone wants to get in the car pool lane upon entering the highway, they tend to do so fairly quickly. This can cause a shockwave as someone flies from one side of the highway to the other. The same thing can happen in the opposite direction when a carpool lane driver needs to get off, and this issue is compounded even more since you can't always (legally) exit the carpool lane. So I thought it'd be interesting to play with a simulator like this, add/remove carpool lanes, or lanes altogether, and see what results.
- mjevans 10y agoIn the uncounted thousands of hours of driving on the freeway in my life thus far, I've observed: * Drivers will improperly idle in a lane they feel safe in, refusing to keep right except to pass (this is actually state law where I live). * Any deviation from a straight, flat, roadway (corners, hills, dips, anything) will cause the flow to slow; even when you can proxy the status of the roadway in front by the tail-lights of all the lanes of cars who /can/ see. * Apparently no 'big' city anywhere balances jobs and housing. Cities too small to balance anything are also generally too small to notice the issue. (I say this because it seems like everyone is economically incentivized to drive as far as they can possibly stand from work for the cheapest housing; clearly there isn't enough housing near jobs to keep those costs competitively low.)
- tbihl 10y agoOn your first point, that's the norm in my driving (most of both US coasts.) I've sometimes wondered what the saturation level is where the left lane should just be another lane to increase steady state flow rate. I guess it's when the lane becomes too crowded to cycle properly. On your second point, I've always just assumed that that was a tall car thing because I figured they probably get more uncomfortable cornering. The same way I probably seem irrational when I speed around pickup trucks: they probably fail to recognize that their driving in front of me is like putting a wall in my face (and unlike semi trucks the drivers are no better than the rest of the people on the road.) On your third point, the US has baked in too many policies that are prohibitive to sensible development patterns. The implicit subsidies for low density living and the federally insured mortgage cone to mind as two of the worst.
- paulsutter 10y agoA bug in this simulator is that new settings apply only to newly-launched cars, incrasing the chaos as you explore a range of options. Increased speed shows an exaggerated immediate increase in crashes, decreased speed causes an exaggerated decrease in crashes, and so on. The sensible conclusion here is that human drivers could be banned in order to safely minimize travel times (much faster reaction times, lower variance in speed).
- mpnordland 10y agoSimple Highway Collision Simulator. Could be a great little game with an educational bent. Personally I set reaction time to 0 and jacked everything else to max. Then I spammed the launch button.
- cyberferret 10y agoInteresting project! I had fun playing with it. I wanted to test the theory (which I saw in an article posted here on HN a few weeks ago) that a single car slowing right down on a busy highway (e.g. to avoid hitting an animal on the road or similar) can actually cause a traffic jam that goes back miles and can last for hours. I couldn't prove that hypothesis at this scale. I am assuming that the AI drivers have just too good a reaction time and they can co-ordinate their speeds to each other to keep things moving along fairly nicely. A thumbs up for robot driverless cars, I guess ;-) EDIT: Actually, playing some more - it does prove it to some extent. If you increase reaction time to ~800ms and let the traffic blitz along at a steady clip, then slow down two cars side by side to almost a stop, then after the initial cascade of accidents, it take ages for the traffic to get back to the same steady pace. Interesting.
- mabcat 10y agoThe 200ms default reaction time in the simulation is wildly optimistic. I remember 1500ms from rider training and http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/reactiontime.html http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/reactiontime.html seems to bear that out.
- novaleaf 10y agoalso braking: it looks like the cars can only brake as fast as they accelerate. seems like this should be a different slider.
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- scotty79 10y agoWhat I'm missing is right lane preference, that would control how much people obey the rule that you shouldn't be on the leftmost lane unless you are faster then the cars in the right lane in front of you and if you aren't much faster then the car that's next to you on the right lane you should slow down and place yourself after it or speed up and place yourself in front of it. It's horribly painful to watch two slow cars occupying both lanes next to each other.
- tragomaskhalos 10y agoOr indeed left-lane preference, for British and Japanese users. But yes a more sophisticated simulation would use > 2 lanes, and have various controls for lane discipline, especially since poor lane discipline is a major contributor to congestion. This is a suggestion not a criticism btw, I had fun with this.
- mwexler 10y agoNo post on traffic is complete without a reference to the original "traffic hobbyist": http://trafficwaves.org/ http://trafficwaves.org/ from Jan 1998.
- Silvanm 10y agoGlad to see my first post on HN to receive such positive feedback. I guess I'll post my vacation projects regularly if they are appreciated :-) If you want to see a more scientific approach at the subject I recommend looking at http://traffic-simulation.de/ http://traffic-simulation.de/
- hacker314159 10y agoReally cool project. I wonder if transportation agencies would want to use something like this for studying traffic.