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> Affluent parents pass high IQ and conscientiousness I'll have to go with 'citation needed'.

blfr 10y ago
Sure. Both are highly heritable: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8776880 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8776880
- michael_h 10y ago
  I was thinking less about the 'intelligence is partly heritable' part, and more about 'affluent people are smart and conscientious' part.
  - blfr 10y ago
    OK. "each point increase in IQ test scores raises income by between $234 and $616 per year" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607000219 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607... and conscientiousness may even trump IQ when it comes to SES http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/06/does_personalit.html http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/06/does_personalit....
    - michael_h 10y ago
      That's 'high IQ'->'higher income'. You are implying 'higher income'->'high IQ', of which there are multitudes of counterexamples.
      - blfr 10y ago
        There are always lottery winners. It's not a perfect correlation.
        oicisdumb33 10y ago
        So it's completely useless then If you are going to make a blanket statement in your thesis then pull back from its correctness then best not to spout the original as hard truth
        xapata 10y ago
        Ah, the No True Scotsman defense.
      - ubernostrum 10y ago
        This comment should not be downvoted. It's correct in describing what's being asserted. And what's being asserted is the definition of the affirming the consequent. I know this is HN and we love to point and shout the names of informal fallacies, but maybe learning some formal ones would be useful, too.
    - contextmattrs30 10y ago
      Lol this correlation says nothing about poor people being dumber But that better educated make more money Get back to me when society stops tilted the economic success playing field against poor people, and offers them the same welfare we give the rich Until then this 36 yr old, born and raised in a trailer park, college dropout with enough assets now to only have to work part time on contracts that interest me, while living in a city with higher than average cost of living, will call bs

blfr 10y ago

Sure. Both are highly heritable: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3182557/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8776880 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8776880

michael_h 10y ago
I was thinking less about the 'intelligence is partly heritable' part, and more about 'affluent people are smart and conscientious' part.
- blfr 10y ago
  OK. "each point increase in IQ test scores raises income by between $234 and $616 per year" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607000219 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607... and conscientiousness may even trump IQ when it comes to SES http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/06/does_personalit.html http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/06/does_personalit....
  - michael_h 10y ago
    That's 'high IQ'->'higher income'. You are implying 'higher income'->'high IQ', of which there are multitudes of counterexamples.
    - blfr 10y ago
      There are always lottery winners. It's not a perfect correlation.
      - oicisdumb33 10y ago
        So it's completely useless then If you are going to make a blanket statement in your thesis then pull back from its correctness then best not to spout the original as hard truth
      - xapata 10y ago
        Ah, the No True Scotsman defense.
    - ubernostrum 10y ago
      This comment should not be downvoted. It's correct in describing what's being asserted. And what's being asserted is the definition of the affirming the consequent. I know this is HN and we love to point and shout the names of informal fallacies, but maybe learning some formal ones would be useful, too.
  - contextmattrs30 10y ago
    Lol this correlation says nothing about poor people being dumber But that better educated make more money Get back to me when society stops tilted the economic success playing field against poor people, and offers them the same welfare we give the rich Until then this 36 yr old, born and raised in a trailer park, college dropout with enough assets now to only have to work part time on contracts that interest me, while living in a city with higher than average cost of living, will call bs