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I don't think I'd call what Google does 2-factor authentication. Unless I'm missing some option to change this behavior, it's still 1-factor, but what changes w
by _delirium 10y ago
I don't think I'd call what Google does 2-factor authentication. Unless I'm missing some option to change this behavior, it's still 1-factor, but what changes when you enable it is which factor is the fundamentally required one. With it disabled, you have one factor, the password; anyone who gets it can log on. With it enabled, the password is no longer the single factor, but it is also no longer a required factor at all, because the password-reset mechanism goes through the same phone number used for the 2fa SMS pushes. So now the phone (or more specifically, ability to receive SMSs to the saved number) becomes the single factor. To be actual 2fa, someone in possession of only one of the two factors shouldn't be able to override the other factor.
There are obvious reasons Google does it this way, and it is probably a net increase in security, because a phone as a single factor is less often compromised than a password as a single factor. But I don't like calling that particular arrangement 2fa.
- x0x0 10y agoAlso, you can steal someone's phone account in about a hot minute. Watch: https://youtu.be/bjYhmX_OUQQ?t=98 https://youtu.be/bjYhmX_OUQQ?t=98 This phishing test company has one of their employees steal a reporter's cell phone and it's amazing. She basically plays a crying baby on youtube and just grabs the account without knowing anything... (posted by @nbadg https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12598989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12598989 )
- dublinben 10y ago2FA using a phone number isn't really 2FA, as you've said. There's a reason this method has been deprecated by the NIST and other folks making recommendations about this. Used correctly, their TOTP app is a real second factor, because it only lives on a single device that you have.
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