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I imagine there were a lot of angry calls from Washington and Beijing over this. I don't think companies are magnanimous like this without external pressure. N

I imagine there were a lot of angry calls from Washington and Beijing over this. I don't think companies are magnanimous like this without external pressure. No one in Washington or Beijing with diplomatic credentials and contact with the other side even knows what DNS is or that there was an attack on Friday. A lot of Chinese companies are both privately owned and awash in money, and that gives them the latitude to behave in ways that aren't strictly about achieving maximum Pareto efficiency. These guys are doing the right thing. Please don't try to minimize that.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
>No one in Washington or Beijing with diplomatic credentials and contact with the other side even knows what DNS is or that there was an attack on Friday. They have advisors that sure as hell know exactly what is going on here. This is a very naive view of how government works. Diplomates don't need to know what code is to make policy. Chinese bureaucrats certainly know that pissing off their biggest trade and manufacturing partner isn't good for their economy. This was a very high-profile attack. Pretty much every intelligence agency in the world has notified their higher-ups on what likely happened and the hammer most definitely fell on this company. Chinese businesses aren't exactly known for their good corporate personas and generosity. See baby and dog poisonings and desperate reactions by the government like executing executives. On top of the everyday IP infringements and other cavalier attitudes towards international business norms.
- CountSessine 10y ago
  They have advisors that sure as hell know exactly what is going on here. This is a very naive view of how government works. Diplomates don't need to know what code is to make policy. Are you speculating? Do you work in the diplomatic corps? I get the opposite impression given what I've read in wikileaks releases. This was a very high-profile attack. Pretty much every intelligence agency in the world has notified their higher-ups on what likely happened and the hammer most definitely fell on this company. Assuming for the moment that there is any communication made at all regarding this incident, do you really think the Chinese government is going to pressure some small Chinese business to lose a whole bunch of money unnecessarily because an American anarchist group attacked some American websites with said Chinese company's webcams? Nobody cares. Chinese businesses aren't exactly known for their good corporate personas and generosity. What an awful generalization.
  - smallnamespace 10y ago
    > Assuming for the moment that there is any communication made at all regarding this incident, do you really think the Chinese government is going to pressure some small Chinese business to lose a whole bunch of money unnecessarily because an American anarchist group attacked some American websites with said Chinese company's webcams? What about naked self-interest? Those webcams are vulnerable and can be used to attack any infrastructure, including China's own.
  - abc_lisper 10y ago
    Not to sound like an ass, but it would help us to not generalize if you have shown some counter examples.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      I feel like the burden falls on the accuser
      - abc_lisper 10y ago
        Let's see. How about this news story that is 4 hours old? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11735076 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&o... Or this http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/news/potentially-unsafe-food-entering-us-china http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/news/potentially-unsafe-foo... Well, try this if you are still not convinced http://lmgtfy.com/?q=china+us+food http://lmgtfy.com/?q=china+us+food
ghayes 10y ago
I would go further and say that regardless of the motivation, they are doing the right thing and therefore should be applauded.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

>No one in Washington or Beijing with diplomatic credentials and contact with the other side even knows what DNS is or that there was an attack on Friday. They have advisors that sure as hell know exactly what is going on here. This is a very naive view of how government works. Diplomates don't need to know what code is to make policy. Chinese bureaucrats certainly know that pissing off their biggest trade and manufacturing partner isn't good for their economy. This was a very high-profile attack. Pretty much every intelligence agency in the world has notified their higher-ups on what likely happened and the hammer most definitely fell on this company. Chinese businesses aren't exactly known for their good corporate personas and generosity. See baby and dog poisonings and desperate reactions by the government like executing executives. On top of the everyday IP infringements and other cavalier attitudes towards international business norms.

CountSessine 10y ago
They have advisors that sure as hell know exactly what is going on here. This is a very naive view of how government works. Diplomates don't need to know what code is to make policy. Are you speculating? Do you work in the diplomatic corps? I get the opposite impression given what I've read in wikileaks releases. This was a very high-profile attack. Pretty much every intelligence agency in the world has notified their higher-ups on what likely happened and the hammer most definitely fell on this company. Assuming for the moment that there is any communication made at all regarding this incident, do you really think the Chinese government is going to pressure some small Chinese business to lose a whole bunch of money unnecessarily because an American anarchist group attacked some American websites with said Chinese company's webcams? Nobody cares. Chinese businesses aren't exactly known for their good corporate personas and generosity. What an awful generalization.
- smallnamespace 10y ago
  > Assuming for the moment that there is any communication made at all regarding this incident, do you really think the Chinese government is going to pressure some small Chinese business to lose a whole bunch of money unnecessarily because an American anarchist group attacked some American websites with said Chinese company's webcams? What about naked self-interest? Those webcams are vulnerable and can be used to attack any infrastructure, including China's own.
- abc_lisper 10y ago
  Not to sound like an ass, but it would help us to not generalize if you have shown some counter examples.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    I feel like the burden falls on the accuser
    - abc_lisper 10y ago
      Let's see. How about this news story that is 4 hours old? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11735076 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&o... Or this http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/news/potentially-unsafe-food-entering-us-china http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/news/potentially-unsafe-foo... Well, try this if you are still not convinced http://lmgtfy.com/?q=china+us+food http://lmgtfy.com/?q=china+us+food

ghayes 10y ago

I would go further and say that regardless of the motivation, they are doing the right thing and therefore should be applauded.