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"They know what they’re against. But it’s difficult to find out what they’re really for." Well, reading what the Pirate Party wants to be, it makes sense they

"They know what they’re against. But it’s difficult to find out what they’re really for." Well, reading what the Pirate Party wants to be, it makes sense they don't have things to be 'for'. They want to give the people more room to decide. The pirates just want to give the people that space. They don't care about all the topics traditional politics discuss and promote. They just want the people have have more of a say in it, instead of a once-in-four-year vote. The political party shouldn't decide on the largest decisions, the people should make that decision (through matters as referendum). With current technology, the people could even represent themselves. "We need your decision on this political matter: swipe left for yes, right for no."

mattferderer 10y ago
The more I've tried to learn about issues, the more I've learned that they are often very complicated & require a lot of research. I feel this is to hard & time consuming for the average citizen. Electing people to represent your interests makes more & more sense to me every day. I do wish they were more open & transparent though in an easy to understand & honest method. Unfortunately it seems that is very difficult for them to do.
- belorn 10y ago
  Representative democracy would work much better without lobbyist that, for reason that should be discussed, are represented much more than voters. Like the Utopian dream of communism, Representative democracy that actually represent their citizens seems to be one of those government types that people talk about but never actually achieve. Take copyright law (since this is about the pirate party). were your interest represented when the elected people let Disney lobbyist buy a law that extended copyright? Somehow, a company that "give" millions to a political party is not a bribing and completely not doing so with any expectation of returns. One could ask why they spend those money, or why historically it is so effective to spend so much totally-not-a-bribe money. From the representative politician view, issues are often very complicated & require a lot of research, which is too hard and time consuming. Easier to just choose the highest paying lobbyist and have them decide for you. That way, you picked the politician, and they picked the lobbyist, and the lobbyist decide the law.
kikoreis 10y ago
That's a high-risk approach, because big referendums have a lot of downsides. They are expensive, polarizing and put a lot of responsibility on the average citizen, who is expected to both understand and balance correctly the tradeoffs on the table. In some societies that is really too much to ask, but I don't know Iceland well enough. Experiments are important too, though. I would be watching really closely what happens if the there is a real tilt towards the Pirates.

mattferderer 10y ago

The more I've tried to learn about issues, the more I've learned that they are often very complicated & require a lot of research. I feel this is to hard & time consuming for the average citizen. Electing people to represent your interests makes more & more sense to me every day. I do wish they were more open & transparent though in an easy to understand & honest method. Unfortunately it seems that is very difficult for them to do.

belorn 10y ago
Representative democracy would work much better without lobbyist that, for reason that should be discussed, are represented much more than voters. Like the Utopian dream of communism, Representative democracy that actually represent their citizens seems to be one of those government types that people talk about but never actually achieve. Take copyright law (since this is about the pirate party). were your interest represented when the elected people let Disney lobbyist buy a law that extended copyright? Somehow, a company that "give" millions to a political party is not a bribing and completely not doing so with any expectation of returns. One could ask why they spend those money, or why historically it is so effective to spend so much totally-not-a-bribe money. From the representative politician view, issues are often very complicated & require a lot of research, which is too hard and time consuming. Easier to just choose the highest paying lobbyist and have them decide for you. That way, you picked the politician, and they picked the lobbyist, and the lobbyist decide the law.

kikoreis 10y ago

That's a high-risk approach, because big referendums have a lot of downsides. They are expensive, polarizing and put a lot of responsibility on the average citizen, who is expected to both understand and balance correctly the tradeoffs on the table. In some societies that is really too much to ask, but I don't know Iceland well enough. Experiments are important too, though. I would be watching really closely what happens if the there is a real tilt towards the Pirates.