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Apparently China plans to role out that kind of rating system by 2020, dubbed a "social credit score": http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186 http:/

Apparently China plans to role out that kind of rating system by 2020, dubbed a "social credit score": http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186

m_mueller 10y ago
It's scary how relevant some of Black Mirror's themes actually are. This one in particular is so close, I wonder whether the show's creators used it as a template. Edit: Apparently not, as this information is only publicly available since this September. Zeitgeist at work?
- madaxe_again 10y ago
  I've known about sesame since last year at least - it's getting more attention now but it was definitely public knowledge when this series would have been at the writing stage. It's an idea from sci-fi - I can't remember who wrote what, but there was a society where citizens got more or fewer votes depending on their behaviour (edit: Alastair Reynolds? Banks? Feels like it was one of them.), and knew each other's scores, and Tom Disch's 334 is explicitly about scoring people, and one segment is dedicated to "Baz" desperately trying to get his score up by producing a piece of state-loving prose, before narrowly failing and being consigned to life as a faceless "g[ue|o]rilla" soldier - although in that the state scored you, not other people.
  - srum 10y ago
    Don't forget Community! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278596/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278596/
    - croon 10y ago
      and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3765158/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3765158/
  - mountaineer22 10y ago
    Was the currency called whoopy? [update] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie I was thinking later, Cory Doctorow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_King...
    - RangerScience 10y ago
      "Down and out.." or, "Why is sucks to be an asshole in a reputation-based economy". +1 upvote, would cautionary tale again. PS - If you haven't read Rapture of the Nerds, check it out. It's a Doctorow character (downer of a dude) in a Stross world (craaazy tech).
  - Paul_S 10y ago
    Funny coincidence, I'm reading The Prefect by Alastair Reynolds right now (literally). It has exactly what you say. People whose votes are vindicated get their votes weighted accordingly. They end up lobbied to but can't outright still their votes or their weights would go down.
    - madaxe_again 10y ago
      Yup, that's what I was thinking of!
  - oever 10y ago
    Daemon by Daniel Suarez contains the idea that people have reputation. Everyone can rate everyone and know everyone's reputation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series)
    - RangerScience 10y ago
      Note: The sequel goes into way more detail on how the proposed system would work; the first book is really how it (frequently violently) takes over.
- CPAhem 10y ago
  Charlie Brooker, the author of Black Mirror has had quite a few prescient moments: A previous series had the UK Prime Minister having sex with a pig, a year later it turned out that David Cameron had done something obscene to a pig as part of a college initiation ceremony. Brooker claimed he was spooked by this coincidence.
  - midhir 10y ago
    And, wonderfully, hashtags from Black Mirror actually started to trend on Twitter as the news broke.
sli 10y ago
Unless it's changed significantly recently, this "credit score" is only being used by Alibaba, and is more akin to a regular old karma system like that used on HN or reddit.
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- vidarh 10y ago
  The article claims that Alibaba's solution is one of 8 private pilot schemes, and claims there are government planning documents for a much more comprehensive system.
danidiaz 10y ago
There's also North Korea's "Songbun" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun although it seems more coarse-grained than a numeric score.

m_mueller 10y ago

It's scary how relevant some of Black Mirror's themes actually are. This one in particular is so close, I wonder whether the show's creators used it as a template. Edit: Apparently not, as this information is only publicly available since this September. Zeitgeist at work?

madaxe_again 10y ago
I've known about sesame since last year at least - it's getting more attention now but it was definitely public knowledge when this series would have been at the writing stage. It's an idea from sci-fi - I can't remember who wrote what, but there was a society where citizens got more or fewer votes depending on their behaviour (edit: Alastair Reynolds? Banks? Feels like it was one of them.), and knew each other's scores, and Tom Disch's 334 is explicitly about scoring people, and one segment is dedicated to "Baz" desperately trying to get his score up by producing a piece of state-loving prose, before narrowly failing and being consigned to life as a faceless "g[ue|o]rilla" soldier - although in that the state scored you, not other people.
- srum 10y ago
  Don't forget Community! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278596/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3278596/
  - croon 10y ago
    and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3765158/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3765158/
- mountaineer22 10y ago
  Was the currency called whoopy? [update] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie I was thinking later, Cory Doctorow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_King...
  - RangerScience 10y ago
    "Down and out.." or, "Why is sucks to be an asshole in a reputation-based economy". +1 upvote, would cautionary tale again. PS - If you haven't read Rapture of the Nerds, check it out. It's a Doctorow character (downer of a dude) in a Stross world (craaazy tech).
- Paul_S 10y ago
  Funny coincidence, I'm reading The Prefect by Alastair Reynolds right now (literally). It has exactly what you say. People whose votes are vindicated get their votes weighted accordingly. They end up lobbied to but can't outright still their votes or their weights would go down.
  - madaxe_again 10y ago
    Yup, that's what I was thinking of!
- oever 10y ago
  Daemon by Daniel Suarez contains the idea that people have reputation. Everyone can rate everyone and know everyone's reputation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series)
  - RangerScience 10y ago
    Note: The sequel goes into way more detail on how the proposed system would work; the first book is really how it (frequently violently) takes over.
CPAhem 10y ago
Charlie Brooker, the author of Black Mirror has had quite a few prescient moments: A previous series had the UK Prime Minister having sex with a pig, a year later it turned out that David Cameron had done something obscene to a pig as part of a college initiation ceremony. Brooker claimed he was spooked by this coincidence.
- midhir 10y ago
  And, wonderfully, hashtags from Black Mirror actually started to trend on Twitter as the news broke.

sli 10y ago

Unless it's changed significantly recently, this "credit score" is only being used by Alibaba, and is more akin to a regular old karma system like that used on HN or reddit.

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vidarh 10y ago
The article claims that Alibaba's solution is one of 8 private pilot schemes, and claims there are government planning documents for a much more comprehensive system.

danidiaz 10y ago

There's also North Korea's "Songbun" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun although it seems more coarse-grained than a numeric score.