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"No diaspora of English nobility, many of whom left rather than become subject to Normans" - do you have any other links or more information about this comment,

by kirian 10y ago

"No diaspora of English nobility, many of whom left rather than become subject to Normans" - do you have any other links or more information about this comment, i.e. which nobles and where did they go? I'm curious to find out more as was not aware of this aspect. Thanks

berntb 10y ago
Well, you got an influx to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard "Composed primarily of Scandinavians for the first 100 years, the guard began to see increasing numbers of Anglo-Saxons after the successful invasion of England by the Normans. [..] the Guard was commonly called the Englinbarrangoi (Anglo-Varangians) [after a point]" (That is all I really read about that subject.)
- ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
  Though I seriously don't think that not having English Varangians would've changed the course of Byzantine History-Manizkert, the Crusades, and lots of infighting and civil wars would've probably still happened. Manzikert was only 5 years in the future.
  - berntb 10y ago
    I was answering a question about where the Anglo Saxon nobility went after 1066. I didn't touch the main subject of this discussion (how history would have been different). Edit: But please expand on the subject, as if I had meant that. It would be interesting. :-)
  - berntb 10y ago
    Well, thinking about this a bit more... you could argue that my position is really simplified. Christianity wasn't that nice either. Exterminating all competing religions (Asatru, Catharism, South American religions etc) and probably even worse pogroms than the Muslim world, etc.
phillc73 10y ago
Harold's mother, Gytha, left England with other prominent nobles. I seemed to recall her going to Flanders, Wikipedia (that credible source) suggests somewhere in Scandinavia instead.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_Thorkelsd%C3%B3ttir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_Thorkelsd%C3%B3ttir Edit: Worth listening to are these BBC 4 In Our Time Podcasts. The Battle of Stamford Bridge: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011jvlt http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011jvlt The Domesday Book: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b040llvb http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b040llvb

by kirian 10y ago

berntb 10y ago

Well, you got an influx to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard "Composed primarily of Scandinavians for the first 100 years, the guard began to see increasing numbers of Anglo-Saxons after the successful invasion of England by the Normans. [..] the Guard was commonly called the Englinbarrangoi (Anglo-Varangians) [after a point]" (That is all I really read about that subject.)

ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
Though I seriously don't think that not having English Varangians would've changed the course of Byzantine History-Manizkert, the Crusades, and lots of infighting and civil wars would've probably still happened. Manzikert was only 5 years in the future.
- berntb 10y ago
  I was answering a question about where the Anglo Saxon nobility went after 1066. I didn't touch the main subject of this discussion (how history would have been different). Edit: But please expand on the subject, as if I had meant that. It would be interesting. :-)
- berntb 10y ago
  Well, thinking about this a bit more... you could argue that my position is really simplified. Christianity wasn't that nice either. Exterminating all competing religions (Asatru, Catharism, South American religions etc) and probably even worse pogroms than the Muslim world, etc.

phillc73 10y ago

Harold's mother, Gytha, left England with other prominent nobles. I seemed to recall her going to Flanders, Wikipedia (that credible source) suggests somewhere in Scandinavia instead.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_Thorkelsd%C3%B3ttir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_Thorkelsd%C3%B3ttir Edit: Worth listening to are these BBC 4 In Our Time Podcasts. The Battle of Stamford Bridge: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011jvlt http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011jvlt The Domesday Book: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b040llvb http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b040llvb