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Are you kidding me? 10 times longer lifespan is _huge_, if we assume the average car lasts only 10 years that would mean you'd be able to use a Tesla for 100 ye

Are you kidding me? 10 times longer lifespan is _huge_, if we assume the average car lasts only 10 years that would mean you'd be able to use a Tesla for 100 years. That is totally not happening, especially with Tesla's reluctance to share maintenance manuals. It seems, on the contrary, that the Tesla cars have lower life-span than classic combustion engine cars.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Elon has specifically said he's targeted a million miles of reliabiiity on the drivetrain. Maybe not 10 times longer, but still far more service life than a traditional ICE. Tesla doesn't need to share the repair manuals. You're not touching the battery pack internals or the electric motors; if they fail, they are swapped out entirely and sent to the Gigafactory refurbishment line.
- RealityVoid 10y ago
  The Tesla is far more than a battery pack on wheels. There are plenty of things that can fail and need to be repaired. Failing to facilitate that means the lifespan of the car si significantly reduced.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Could you be specific what non-drivetrain components could fail that can't easily be swapped out on site or at a service center?
    - makomk 10y ago
      You mean other than the chassis, body panels, doors, undercarriage... Not to mention the question of repair costs and parts availability, both of which are pretty bad. Where are you going to get (say) a replacement for the incredibly complex and unreliable door handle mechanism for the Model S in a few years time once the car's no longer in production? The model-specific battery pack? All the electronics systems based around Nvidia chips that'll be long out of production?
      - toomuchtodo 10y ago
        As long as Tesla is still in business, replacements will be available. They still fully support the Roadster, even providing an updated battery pack at cost to owners. Model specific battery packs? You're aware the battery packs are all the same form factor, correct? They have an 8 year battery/motor drivetrain warranty on the S and X models, which means they'll produce compatible packs for at least 8 years from the last vehicle of a model rolling off the line.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Elon has specifically said he's targeted a million miles of reliabiiity on the drivetrain. Maybe not 10 times longer, but still far more service life than a traditional ICE. Tesla doesn't need to share the repair manuals. You're not touching the battery pack internals or the electric motors; if they fail, they are swapped out entirely and sent to the Gigafactory refurbishment line.

RealityVoid 10y ago
The Tesla is far more than a battery pack on wheels. There are plenty of things that can fail and need to be repaired. Failing to facilitate that means the lifespan of the car si significantly reduced.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Could you be specific what non-drivetrain components could fail that can't easily be swapped out on site or at a service center?
  - makomk 10y ago
    You mean other than the chassis, body panels, doors, undercarriage... Not to mention the question of repair costs and parts availability, both of which are pretty bad. Where are you going to get (say) a replacement for the incredibly complex and unreliable door handle mechanism for the Model S in a few years time once the car's no longer in production? The model-specific battery pack? All the electronics systems based around Nvidia chips that'll be long out of production?
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      As long as Tesla is still in business, replacements will be available. They still fully support the Roadster, even providing an updated battery pack at cost to owners. Model specific battery packs? You're aware the battery packs are all the same form factor, correct? They have an 8 year battery/motor drivetrain warranty on the S and X models, which means they'll produce compatible packs for at least 8 years from the last vehicle of a model rolling off the line.