5 ms·

The cheating device in this article also required a marked deck. So as long as the house isn't in on it, this cheating method wouldn't work in casinos. The art

by jamoes 10y ago

The cheating device in this article also required a marked deck. So as long as the house isn't in on it, this cheating method wouldn't work in casinos. The article did mention that some anonymous sources claim to be using these devices in Vegas casinos, so I wonder of there are some corrupt dealers in cahoots with the cheaters.

Scirra_Tom 10y ago
If you had a rigged deck and sleight of hand, you could probably slowly replace the casino cards with the rigged cards. In Blackjack I imagine you'd only need 10 cards in the deck to make it +EV. You could even have one player plant, the other take advantage in teams.
- smitherfield 10y ago
  You could coat your fingers with infrared ink. Each card would naturally have a different pattern imprinted on the back depending on how you touched it.
  - gruez 10y ago
    How would the mapping from random pattern to card be established?
    - smitherfield 10y ago
      Well there's the rub. It's certainly technically possible if the device described in the article is. Tagging the cards with "smart dust"[0] might be easier, and harder for the casino to detect. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust
      - jcoffland 10y ago
        Except that smart dust does not exist. That Wikipedia page needs to be rewritten. It's vague and misleading.
        smitherfield 10y ago
        s/smart dust/very small RFID chips/g
        jcoffland 10y ago
        There is a reason RFID chips are the size they are. The smaller they are the closer the scanner has to be to energize their antenna. Either that or you increase the power but the power needed goes up exponentially with distance. I don't see this working. At least not with today's tech.
    - wes-k 10y ago
      Through play. Camera would need to recognize card type from capture of card face up. This plus the back of same card would link the unique signature and the card value.
  - ssanders82 10y ago
    Been done :) http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/28/4780914/cheaters-used-infrared-contact-lenses-and-marked-cards-to-win-over http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/28/4780914/cheaters-used-infr...
- dghughes 10y ago
  If the rigged cards ever make it into a deck (of the multiple decks used) it won't match what the shuffler has set in software it will be rejected. There is a list of manufacturers and all are different almost like money from different countries we have a PDF of card types we program into the shufflers. We're lucky if we get it working well with genuine cards lol edit: cards not cars
forgettableuser 10y ago
There was a British show called The Real Hustle where the cast basically performs real world scams on people filmed with hidden cameras. One year, they went to Vegas. In one of their most brazen scams, they gathered a crew to swap the card shoe at a casino table. It's amazing how much damage nerves of steel, team work, and a split second distraction can lead to. This particular scam starts at about 22 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUvZjIK_Ms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUvZjIK_Ms The expert at the end does mention it is likely bribing dealers and camera operators would be the most likely scenario since the payout is large enough to make it affordable to do.
- dghughes 10y ago
  A manual shoe? I've never seen one of those in a while I guess some casino use them. Shufflemaster (Scientific Games) makes the One2Six shuffler that's common and it weighs about 30 pounds the bigger model iDeal has a camera to read the cards and it records each one in the order it's ejected. I have to laugh at all the card manipulation half the time the cards warp and bend due to humidity so they are replaced often. Dealers have so many eyes and cameras on them I can't see anyone trying this unless they were desperate.
- smcnally 10y ago
  Ballsy and dangerous coördinating that many people to execute something like this. Cool show with the play-by-play shot well / from multiple angles to explain it all. Will check out more of it.
  - orbat 10y ago
    _coördinating_ Completely, unabashedly unrelated, but I honestly can't remember the last time I saw dieresis in the wild. Is this a regional thing?
    - cOgnaut 10y ago
      It was probably a typo, meant to be a - and typed a diaresis instead. Lots of keyboard layouts have easily accessible diareses.

by jamoes 10y ago

Scirra_Tom 10y ago

If you had a rigged deck and sleight of hand, you could probably slowly replace the casino cards with the rigged cards. In Blackjack I imagine you'd only need 10 cards in the deck to make it +EV. You could even have one player plant, the other take advantage in teams.

smitherfield 10y ago
You could coat your fingers with infrared ink. Each card would naturally have a different pattern imprinted on the back depending on how you touched it.
- gruez 10y ago
  How would the mapping from random pattern to card be established?
  - smitherfield 10y ago
    Well there's the rub. It's certainly technically possible if the device described in the article is. Tagging the cards with "smart dust"[0] might be easier, and harder for the casino to detect. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust
    - jcoffland 10y ago
      Except that smart dust does not exist. That Wikipedia page needs to be rewritten. It's vague and misleading.
      - smitherfield 10y ago
        s/smart dust/very small RFID chips/g
        jcoffland 10y ago
        There is a reason RFID chips are the size they are. The smaller they are the closer the scanner has to be to energize their antenna. Either that or you increase the power but the power needed goes up exponentially with distance. I don't see this working. At least not with today's tech.
  - wes-k 10y ago
    Through play. Camera would need to recognize card type from capture of card face up. This plus the back of same card would link the unique signature and the card value.
- ssanders82 10y ago
  Been done :) http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/28/4780914/cheaters-used-infrared-contact-lenses-and-marked-cards-to-win-over http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/28/4780914/cheaters-used-infr...
dghughes 10y ago
If the rigged cards ever make it into a deck (of the multiple decks used) it won't match what the shuffler has set in software it will be rejected. There is a list of manufacturers and all are different almost like money from different countries we have a PDF of card types we program into the shufflers. We're lucky if we get it working well with genuine cards lol edit: cards not cars

forgettableuser 10y ago

There was a British show called The Real Hustle where the cast basically performs real world scams on people filmed with hidden cameras. One year, they went to Vegas. In one of their most brazen scams, they gathered a crew to swap the card shoe at a casino table. It's amazing how much damage nerves of steel, team work, and a split second distraction can lead to. This particular scam starts at about 22 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUvZjIK_Ms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUvZjIK_Ms The expert at the end does mention it is likely bribing dealers and camera operators would be the most likely scenario since the payout is large enough to make it affordable to do.

dghughes 10y ago
A manual shoe? I've never seen one of those in a while I guess some casino use them. Shufflemaster (Scientific Games) makes the One2Six shuffler that's common and it weighs about 30 pounds the bigger model iDeal has a camera to read the cards and it records each one in the order it's ejected. I have to laugh at all the card manipulation half the time the cards warp and bend due to humidity so they are replaced often. Dealers have so many eyes and cameras on them I can't see anyone trying this unless they were desperate.
smcnally 10y ago
Ballsy and dangerous coördinating that many people to execute something like this. Cool show with the play-by-play shot well / from multiple angles to explain it all. Will check out more of it.
- orbat 10y ago
  _coördinating_ Completely, unabashedly unrelated, but I honestly can't remember the last time I saw dieresis in the wild. Is this a regional thing?
  - cOgnaut 10y ago
    It was probably a typo, meant to be a - and typed a diaresis instead. Lots of keyboard layouts have easily accessible diareses.