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tl;dw please?

by etqwzutewzu 10y ago

tl;dw please?

kowdermeister 10y ago
- 8 civilizations collapsed - Cause unknown - Don't trust sea people :)
- kowdermeister 10y ago
  + 1: don't build major cities on fault lines.
  - arethuza 10y ago
    Although you may want to consider incorporating a fault scarp into your city defences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Gate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Gate
  - AndrewKemendo 10y ago
    Someone should have told David Burnham before he built SF.
    - Pica_soO 10y ago
      I wonder, if a catastrophe is to be expected, is it cynical, to create replacement infrastructure (sewage, waterpiping, streets, electricity) at a safer location nearby and once the disaster strikes to reroute the refugee streams too that location?
      - kowdermeister 10y ago
        I'd call that responsible instead of cynical. If you know in advance that an asteroid is about to hit Earth, except the exact location you'd do the same. In the case of SF, an entire continent is approaching very-very-very slowly.
arethuza 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
sonium 10y ago
'its complicated'
internaut 10y ago
Beware of the Sea People. For more real horror stories read "The Collapse of Complex Civilizations" The Ik is the shortest example of what can only be called Lovecraftian History. What makes this material scary is that it might not be the past.
- DonaldFisk 10y ago
  Do you mean The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter?
  - internaut 10y ago
    Yes. Watch out for sea people. Possible fish-frog hybrids belonging to the Esoteric Order of Dagon.
Nokinside 10y ago
To add to what others said: The cultural collapse was so total that with writing systems disappeared. Greek had to develop reading and writing again.
- merpnderp 10y ago
  What percentage of the population was actually literate? <1%?
dugditches 10y ago
We don't know why bronze era collapsed He suggests that not one thing, but a series of disasters one after the other caused it. The reasons: Sea People(invaders/raiders) Famine Drought Earth Quake 'Storms' Since the societies were 'globalized' and reliant on one another, these disasters happening one after another, caused domino effect.
haalcion3 10y ago
You should watch in full. It was really nice. Summary: * It is assumed that there was no single reason for the "collapse of civilization" (in Aegean, Eastern Mediterrean, Eygpt, and Near East) between ~1200-1000 BC. At the time, it seems there were droughts, famines, earthquakes, invaders, and rebellions; havoc was caused, international trade routes cut, and many cities were destroyed. * Parallels drawn at end to modern society with exception of the migration and/or invasion of "sea people" (actually people from several areas). * Eric then at end says that he's not in a position to provide advice for what we should do, but seems to suggest that when history runs its course, it is likely that good things come from the destruction, citing the Alphabet and monotheism as coming after the 1200-1000 BC collapse (end Bronze Age) and fresh growth coming after a large forest fire. I think the forest fire at the end could have been left out. While I like the optimism he was trying to relay, I think that some could take it is a reason for actively trying to light the powder keg by causing further destabilization in order to bring about a renewal. Also, the problem with comparing the dark ages then to what would happen today is that they weren't that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages Trade was not relied on as much as it is now for food, material to build shelter, fuel for transportation, etc. Many countries today could not become self-sufficient without a great deal of death and disease if trade routes were cut off. And, our civilization is more at risk because we rely on electronics and electricity. If a large portion of the electronic equipment were rendered unusable by a well-coordinated set of strong EMP's/nukes going off (unlikely), a very large coronal mass ejection (more likely), or cyberattack on the electrical grid (most likely), that would disable our water, food production, hospitals, and heating/cooling. Few have the resources they need to survive or even physical books to teach themselves anything that would be useful (plants in their area that are safe to eat, how to build weapons and hunt, how to find fresh water, remedies for disease using local plants). Many have not made social connections with neighbors. Note: EMP/CME cannot be mitigated by storing an extra phone or computer in a Faraday cage, even if you were to have a few bikes to generate electricity for it. What are you going to do with it other than use a text editor to store recipes for roasted squirrel and dandelion stew? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3838433/The-DOOMSDAY-plan-EU-prepares-dark-scenario-cyber-attacks-devastate-power-communication-networks.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3838433/The-D... http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/emerging-focus-on-cyber-threats-to-energy-infrastructure http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/emerging-focus-on-cyber...

tl;dw please?

kowdermeister 10y ago

- 8 civilizations collapsed - Cause unknown - Don't trust sea people :)

kowdermeister 10y ago
+ 1: don't build major cities on fault lines.
- arethuza 10y ago
  Although you may want to consider incorporating a fault scarp into your city defences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Gate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Gate
- AndrewKemendo 10y ago
  Someone should have told David Burnham before he built SF.
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    I wonder, if a catastrophe is to be expected, is it cynical, to create replacement infrastructure (sewage, waterpiping, streets, electricity) at a safer location nearby and once the disaster strikes to reroute the refugee streams too that location?
    - kowdermeister 10y ago
      I'd call that responsible instead of cynical. If you know in advance that an asteroid is about to hit Earth, except the exact location you'd do the same. In the case of SF, an entire continent is approaching very-very-very slowly.

arethuza 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

sonium 10y ago

'its complicated'

internaut 10y ago

Beware of the Sea People. For more real horror stories read "The Collapse of Complex Civilizations" The Ik is the shortest example of what can only be called Lovecraftian History. What makes this material scary is that it might not be the past.

DonaldFisk 10y ago
Do you mean The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter?
- internaut 10y ago
  Yes. Watch out for sea people. Possible fish-frog hybrids belonging to the Esoteric Order of Dagon.

Nokinside 10y ago

To add to what others said: The cultural collapse was so total that with writing systems disappeared. Greek had to develop reading and writing again.

merpnderp 10y ago
What percentage of the population was actually literate? <1%?

dugditches 10y ago

We don't know why bronze era collapsed He suggests that not one thing, but a series of disasters one after the other caused it. The reasons: Sea People(invaders/raiders) Famine Drought Earth Quake 'Storms' Since the societies were 'globalized' and reliant on one another, these disasters happening one after another, caused domino effect.

haalcion3 10y ago

You should watch in full. It was really nice. Summary: * It is assumed that there was no single reason for the "collapse of civilization" (in Aegean, Eastern Mediterrean, Eygpt, and Near East) between ~1200-1000 BC. At the time, it seems there were droughts, famines, earthquakes, invaders, and rebellions; havoc was caused, international trade routes cut, and many cities were destroyed. * Parallels drawn at end to modern society with exception of the migration and/or invasion of "sea people" (actually people from several areas). * Eric then at end says that he's not in a position to provide advice for what we should do, but seems to suggest that when history runs its course, it is likely that good things come from the destruction, citing the Alphabet and monotheism as coming after the 1200-1000 BC collapse (end Bronze Age) and fresh growth coming after a large forest fire. I think the forest fire at the end could have been left out. While I like the optimism he was trying to relay, I think that some could take it is a reason for actively trying to light the powder keg by causing further destabilization in order to bring about a renewal. Also, the problem with comparing the dark ages then to what would happen today is that they weren't that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages Trade was not relied on as much as it is now for food, material to build shelter, fuel for transportation, etc. Many countries today could not become self-sufficient without a great deal of death and disease if trade routes were cut off. And, our civilization is more at risk because we rely on electronics and electricity. If a large portion of the electronic equipment were rendered unusable by a well-coordinated set of strong EMP's/nukes going off (unlikely), a very large coronal mass ejection (more likely), or cyberattack on the electrical grid (most likely), that would disable our water, food production, hospitals, and heating/cooling. Few have the resources they need to survive or even physical books to teach themselves anything that would be useful (plants in their area that are safe to eat, how to build weapons and hunt, how to find fresh water, remedies for disease using local plants). Many have not made social connections with neighbors. Note: EMP/CME cannot be mitigated by storing an extra phone or computer in a Faraday cage, even if you were to have a few bikes to generate electricity for it. What are you going to do with it other than use a text editor to store recipes for roasted squirrel and dandelion stew? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3838433/The-DOOMSDAY-plan-EU-prepares-dark-scenario-cyber-attacks-devastate-power-communication-networks.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3838433/The-D... http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/emerging-focus-on-cyber-threats-to-energy-infrastructure http://www.federaltimes.com/articles/emerging-focus-on-cyber...