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Also, Hitler was a national socialist.

paulddraper 10y ago
In name, sure. But in substance, fascist. Had Hitler been far left, he might have liked Russia more. https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitlers-Nazi-party-left-wing-or-right-wing https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitlers-Nazi-party-left-wing-or-ri... Of course this probably just shows that left vs right is really one dimensional, and politics is bigger then one dimension.
tptacek 10y ago
Again with "trying to reason from the word socialist is not making you more credible".
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  Is socialist a word devoid of all meaning now, and you can negate any argument that uses it? Again with "trying to use the word socialist without a clear definition is not making your argument any more credible."
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    It was certainly devoid of meaning when it came to its use in the name "National Socialist Worker's Party". In other contexts, it's oftsn used with substantial meaning, and even often with a consistent enough meaning that uses are comparable. But that doesn't suddenly render the atypical uses examples of the usual meaning.
dragonwriter 10y ago
The name of his party was the German National Socialist Workers Party, but other than, maybe, "German" and "National", those words had about as much connection with their common meanings as the "Democratic" in "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
- vixen99 10y ago
  This simply is not true. Plenty of connections with socialism if you read the 25 principles of the NSDAP as translated at the Nuremberg Trials. For instance: "All citizens must have equal rights and obligations", "Abolition of unearned (work & labor)income. Breaking of rent slavery", "Nationalization of all associated industries","Profit sharing of heavy industries","Expansion on a large scale of old age welfare","Provision of a law for free expropriation of land for the purpose of public utility". "Enabling of every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education", "State to support all outstanding intellectually gifted children".
jwdunne 10y ago
Means nothing when he purged all the people who wanted the socialism part. Fascism does not mean much when it comes to spectrum and can be compared to anything as long as the dictator's mood was right. It essence it believed in the strength of one man to take the nation forward. For Nazism, you will see a mishmash of economic policy that slants a little towards the right economically as compared to Mussolini's fascism that leaned a little towards the left - he was part of the socialism movement before obvious disgruntlement. It's not useful to compare against something defined by the whims of one man.

In name, sure. But in substance, fascist. Had Hitler been far left, he might have liked Russia more. https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitlers-Nazi-party-left-wing-or-right-wing https://www.quora.com/Was-Hitlers-Nazi-party-left-wing-or-ri... Of course this probably just shows that left vs right is really one dimensional, and politics is bigger then one dimension.

tptacek 10y ago

Again with "trying to reason from the word socialist is not making you more credible".

jimmywanger 10y ago
Is socialist a word devoid of all meaning now, and you can negate any argument that uses it? Again with "trying to use the word socialist without a clear definition is not making your argument any more credible."
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  It was certainly devoid of meaning when it came to its use in the name "National Socialist Worker's Party". In other contexts, it's oftsn used with substantial meaning, and even often with a consistent enough meaning that uses are comparable. But that doesn't suddenly render the atypical uses examples of the usual meaning.

dragonwriter 10y ago

The name of his party was the German National Socialist Workers Party, but other than, maybe, "German" and "National", those words had about as much connection with their common meanings as the "Democratic" in "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

vixen99 10y ago
This simply is not true. Plenty of connections with socialism if you read the 25 principles of the NSDAP as translated at the Nuremberg Trials. For instance: "All citizens must have equal rights and obligations", "Abolition of unearned (work & labor)income. Breaking of rent slavery", "Nationalization of all associated industries","Profit sharing of heavy industries","Expansion on a large scale of old age welfare","Provision of a law for free expropriation of land for the purpose of public utility". "Enabling of every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education", "State to support all outstanding intellectually gifted children".

jwdunne 10y ago

Means nothing when he purged all the people who wanted the socialism part. Fascism does not mean much when it comes to spectrum and can be compared to anything as long as the dictator's mood was right. It essence it believed in the strength of one man to take the nation forward. For Nazism, you will see a mishmash of economic policy that slants a little towards the right economically as compared to Mussolini's fascism that leaned a little towards the left - he was part of the socialism movement before obvious disgruntlement. It's not useful to compare against something defined by the whims of one man.