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I wonder which has the higher correlation to instability: 1 formOfGovernmentX - ie democracy, socialism, dictatorship, etc 2 On america's shit list ?

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
Someone(s) down-voted you, but I think you have a point. In 10 years we'll probably find out that the CIA orchestrated this whole fiasco. I mean, that's pretty much the story of, like, every thing that ever goes wrong in every country. Or near enough. I don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but yeah c'mon.
- finid 10y ago
  No, you're not off the mark. What's happening in Venezuela is a direct result of economic sabotage. We wanted Hugo Chavez out so bad but invasion was not an option, so we started on the other front. All those demonstrations by the so-called opposition were not by accident. On the contrary, they were well orchestrated. The same stunt we tried to pull off in Cuba just late last year. Fortunately for Cubans, they arrested the lead front man, who was operating under the guide of a member of a Jewish religious group.
- njharman 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#Allegations_of_US_involvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A...
  - gozur88 10y ago
    ... which, based on all the actual evidence, the US had nothing to do with beyond having an official position that Chavez shouldn't be removed by extra-constitutional means. If the CIA had staged a coup Chavez would have been killed when he was captured. They're not amateurs. And Eva Golinger makes a lot of accusations in her book that are literally crazy, particularly surrounding Chavez's death.
- gozur88 10y ago
  Well, a bunch of people will blame the CIA, but you can draw a pretty heavy dark line from the average Venezuelan voter to the problems they're having today.
Crito 10y ago
Cuba and North Korea both seem to have more than their fair share of stability, despite topping the American shit list for decades.
- widforss 10y ago
  And why would an authorian regime in one country justify American destabilization in their territory? Jesus, I'm tired of american military acting world police pretty much everywhere. I do not like dictatorships, but bombing people into democracy rarely works, as northern Iraq is an excellent example of.
  - Crito 10y ago
    Who said anything about justifying anything? Did you respond to the right comment? Your comment seems to have nothing to do with mine.
    - widforss 10y ago
      I may have read too much between the lines. I interpreted your comment that their position on the shit list made them eligible for intervention. Something like this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12766554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12766554
- RandyRanderson 10y ago
  Cuba: Have a look into the economic sanctions cuba was under for the last ~60 years. Without substantial help from other nations, notably Venezuela, I don't doubt the government would've fallen long ago. N.Korea: Nations that have had "second-in-command" officials "eaten alive by... hungry dogs" for "attempting to overthrow the state" in the last 3 years won't be listed on my top ten stable countries.
- sumedh 10y ago
  Probably because they get help from Russia or China.

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago

Someone(s) down-voted you, but I think you have a point. In 10 years we'll probably find out that the CIA orchestrated this whole fiasco. I mean, that's pretty much the story of, like, every thing that ever goes wrong in every country. Or near enough. I don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but yeah c'mon.

finid 10y ago
No, you're not off the mark. What's happening in Venezuela is a direct result of economic sabotage. We wanted Hugo Chavez out so bad but invasion was not an option, so we started on the other front. All those demonstrations by the so-called opposition were not by accident. On the contrary, they were well orchestrated. The same stunt we tried to pull off in Cuba just late last year. Fortunately for Cubans, they arrested the lead front man, who was operating under the guide of a member of a Jewish religious group.
njharman 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#Allegations_of_US_involvement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A...
- gozur88 10y ago
  ... which, based on all the actual evidence, the US had nothing to do with beyond having an official position that Chavez shouldn't be removed by extra-constitutional means. If the CIA had staged a coup Chavez would have been killed when he was captured. They're not amateurs. And Eva Golinger makes a lot of accusations in her book that are literally crazy, particularly surrounding Chavez's death.
gozur88 10y ago
Well, a bunch of people will blame the CIA, but you can draw a pretty heavy dark line from the average Venezuelan voter to the problems they're having today.

Crito 10y ago

Cuba and North Korea both seem to have more than their fair share of stability, despite topping the American shit list for decades.

widforss 10y ago
And why would an authorian regime in one country justify American destabilization in their territory? Jesus, I'm tired of american military acting world police pretty much everywhere. I do not like dictatorships, but bombing people into democracy rarely works, as northern Iraq is an excellent example of.
- Crito 10y ago
  Who said anything about justifying anything? Did you respond to the right comment? Your comment seems to have nothing to do with mine.
  - widforss 10y ago
    I may have read too much between the lines. I interpreted your comment that their position on the shit list made them eligible for intervention. Something like this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12766554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12766554
RandyRanderson 10y ago
Cuba: Have a look into the economic sanctions cuba was under for the last ~60 years. Without substantial help from other nations, notably Venezuela, I don't doubt the government would've fallen long ago. N.Korea: Nations that have had "second-in-command" officials "eaten alive by... hungry dogs" for "attempting to overthrow the state" in the last 3 years won't be listed on my top ten stable countries.
sumedh 10y ago
Probably because they get help from Russia or China.