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So if I have to stay in NYC for 3 weeks, I am screwed. Thanks Cuomo, you just made me have to cough up double the price for a shitty hotel.

hartard 10y ago
That is not true; you are still free to rent a spare bedroom through services like AirBnB.
jplasmeier 10y ago
Or just stay at a few different airbnbs. Which is annoying, but you get what you pay for.
mkarazin 10y ago
Or you could stay in a shared AirBnB. NYC is tough and expensive in many ways. Seems like they are trying to tackle affordable housing and consequently may also need to look at affordable hotel stays. I remember when I used to do field work in NYC, often for days at a time, and I would drive every day from Philadelphia, my home at the time. Awake at 4am and out the door to avoid getting stuck in traffic and then back down to Philadelphia at 7pm.
- sonar_un 10y ago
  Shared BNB's are out of the question, especially if you prefer to cook or have a partner. Extended stay hotels are hundreds per night.
  - fernandotakai 10y ago
    same with me. i can't get a spare bedroom with my wife. and i can't cook at a hotel (which makes our trips to the us less expensive, which allows us to either stay longer or spend more while in town -- and both are great for local business).
joshcohen 10y ago
When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB. Some people prefer AirBnB so they can feel like they live in the cities they're visiting, this certainly sucks for them.
- nostromo 10y ago
  > When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB. This didn't used to be the case, so you can thank Airbnb in part for finding a reasonably priced hotel room.
  - joshcohen 10y ago
    Indeed!
- mancerayder 10y ago
  And that's the key, isn't it, "competitive with..." Now the hotels won't have to compete anymore. I think you know what happens next.
- morgante 10y ago
  No it's not. Given equal pricing, I unequivocally prefer hotels. But hotels in NYC are insanely expensive. Please tell me where I can find a hotel for <$60 a night that is not infested with bedbugs/rats/cockroaches/smoke.
FT_intern 10y ago
Get a hotel in Jersey City. 2/3 the price with slightly worse transportation
dkopi 10y ago
Based on the "you can still rent a bedroom" comments, I'm guessing the people commenting here are single and definitely don't have kids.
- sonar_un 10y ago
  That's what I was thinking.
- YuriNiyazov 10y ago
  Exactly what I came here to say. My partner, son and I are looking forward to sleeping in your spare bedroom, and cooking in your non-spare kitchen, as well as setting up a play yard in your non-spare living room.
  - apaprocki 10y ago
    What you are both alluding to is exactly why the AirBnB model falls apart in most situations. You want your own thing, but you don't want to follow the law and respect others in the building (that have signed contracts in hand disallowing the practice). Every other owner or legal sublet in that building wanted their own thing. That's why they bought a unit or signed a lease.
    - dkopi 10y ago
      If you're breaking your contract, that's something to be enforced by your landlord and the courts. Not something you need special laws to forbid.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        That's not at all clear. The cost to resolve civil conflicts is something both basic economics and the law factors into regulation all the time. Further: two very common kinds of contract we're talking about are with the state itself. The first and most obvious is zoning, wherein the state promises to reserve some piece of land for a specific use, and private entities purchase that land with the expectation that it will only be used that way. It's for this reason that you can't build a hotel anywhere you want. The second implied contract we have with the state are the codes and regulations governing residences. Long before Airbnb, residency codes had tenancy requirements. Finally, the law itself has something to say about people who enter into contracts in bad faith, deliberately misrepresenting their intentions or circumstances in order to obtain concessions: we tend to call that "fraud".
kafkaesq 10y ago
Thanks Cuomo, you just made me have to cough up double the price for a shitty hotel. Those rentals were already illegal under state law. You are aware of this fact, yes?
specialp 10y ago
Well that is unfortunate. The people of NYC should not have to live with many places in their own buildings operating as illegal hotels. Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city? The residents do not owe people visiting a cheap place to stay. Would you like to have someone different staying in the place literally separated by a wall next to you every day or week? If it is too expensive you have the option of staying somewhere outside of Manhattan. If not you have to just pay the price of visiting an expensive city and not put the burden on the residents.
- joshcohen 10y ago
  Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument.
  - carterehsmith 10y ago
    >Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument. Residents get to decide on these matters through elections. Visitors do not get a say. Do you think that is unreasonable?
- j2kun 10y ago
  > Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city? Would you have the same argument if it were just friends inviting friends over every week? If not, why does the money make it different?
  - manacit 10y ago
    I think there's a difference - the presence of a permanent resident discourages a lot of the bad behavior people complain about, and provides for a very clear path to accountability if something does happen. Anecdotally, my building has had multiple apartments used as "airbnb hotels" over the couple of years that I've lived there, and it's been a fairly consistent source of annoyance. People coming in extremely late at night and not having a clue how to unlock the apartment while causing tons of noise, knocking on my door for assistance, etc. I am 100% for this regulation - NYC is already an extremely expensive place to live, people renting or buying apartments with the purpose of listing them on airbnb only makes it worse.

hartard 10y ago

That is not true; you are still free to rent a spare bedroom through services like AirBnB.

jplasmeier 10y ago

Or just stay at a few different airbnbs. Which is annoying, but you get what you pay for.

mkarazin 10y ago

Or you could stay in a shared AirBnB. NYC is tough and expensive in many ways. Seems like they are trying to tackle affordable housing and consequently may also need to look at affordable hotel stays. I remember when I used to do field work in NYC, often for days at a time, and I would drive every day from Philadelphia, my home at the time. Awake at 4am and out the door to avoid getting stuck in traffic and then back down to Philadelphia at 7pm.

sonar_un 10y ago
Shared BNB's are out of the question, especially if you prefer to cook or have a partner. Extended stay hotels are hundreds per night.
- fernandotakai 10y ago
  same with me. i can't get a spare bedroom with my wife. and i can't cook at a hotel (which makes our trips to the us less expensive, which allows us to either stay longer or spend more while in town -- and both are great for local business).

joshcohen 10y ago

When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB. Some people prefer AirBnB so they can feel like they live in the cities they're visiting, this certainly sucks for them.

nostromo 10y ago
> When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB. This didn't used to be the case, so you can thank Airbnb in part for finding a reasonably priced hotel room.
- joshcohen 10y ago
  Indeed!
mancerayder 10y ago
And that's the key, isn't it, "competitive with..." Now the hotels won't have to compete anymore. I think you know what happens next.
morgante 10y ago
No it's not. Given equal pricing, I unequivocally prefer hotels. But hotels in NYC are insanely expensive. Please tell me where I can find a hotel for <$60 a night that is not infested with bedbugs/rats/cockroaches/smoke.

FT_intern 10y ago

Get a hotel in Jersey City. 2/3 the price with slightly worse transportation

dkopi 10y ago

Based on the "you can still rent a bedroom" comments, I'm guessing the people commenting here are single and definitely don't have kids.

sonar_un 10y ago
That's what I was thinking.
YuriNiyazov 10y ago
Exactly what I came here to say. My partner, son and I are looking forward to sleeping in your spare bedroom, and cooking in your non-spare kitchen, as well as setting up a play yard in your non-spare living room.
- apaprocki 10y ago
  What you are both alluding to is exactly why the AirBnB model falls apart in most situations. You want your own thing, but you don't want to follow the law and respect others in the building (that have signed contracts in hand disallowing the practice). Every other owner or legal sublet in that building wanted their own thing. That's why they bought a unit or signed a lease.
  - dkopi 10y ago
    If you're breaking your contract, that's something to be enforced by your landlord and the courts. Not something you need special laws to forbid.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      That's not at all clear. The cost to resolve civil conflicts is something both basic economics and the law factors into regulation all the time. Further: two very common kinds of contract we're talking about are with the state itself. The first and most obvious is zoning, wherein the state promises to reserve some piece of land for a specific use, and private entities purchase that land with the expectation that it will only be used that way. It's for this reason that you can't build a hotel anywhere you want. The second implied contract we have with the state are the codes and regulations governing residences. Long before Airbnb, residency codes had tenancy requirements. Finally, the law itself has something to say about people who enter into contracts in bad faith, deliberately misrepresenting their intentions or circumstances in order to obtain concessions: we tend to call that "fraud".

kafkaesq 10y ago

Thanks Cuomo, you just made me have to cough up double the price for a shitty hotel. Those rentals were already illegal under state law. You are aware of this fact, yes?

specialp 10y ago

Well that is unfortunate. The people of NYC should not have to live with many places in their own buildings operating as illegal hotels. Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city? The residents do not owe people visiting a cheap place to stay. Would you like to have someone different staying in the place literally separated by a wall next to you every day or week? If it is too expensive you have the option of staying somewhere outside of Manhattan. If not you have to just pay the price of visiting an expensive city and not put the burden on the residents.

joshcohen 10y ago
Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument.
- carterehsmith 10y ago
  >Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument. Residents get to decide on these matters through elections. Visitors do not get a say. Do you think that is unreasonable?
j2kun 10y ago
> Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city? Would you have the same argument if it were just friends inviting friends over every week? If not, why does the money make it different?
- manacit 10y ago
  I think there's a difference - the presence of a permanent resident discourages a lot of the bad behavior people complain about, and provides for a very clear path to accountability if something does happen. Anecdotally, my building has had multiple apartments used as "airbnb hotels" over the couple of years that I've lived there, and it's been a fairly consistent source of annoyance. People coming in extremely late at night and not having a clue how to unlock the apartment while causing tons of noise, knocking on my door for assistance, etc. I am 100% for this regulation - NYC is already an extremely expensive place to live, people renting or buying apartments with the purpose of listing them on airbnb only makes it worse.