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Could you expand more on how these hordes of idiots sinks framework by using it? I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad be

Could you expand more on how these hordes of idiots sinks framework by using it? I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before and I'd love you to expound further.

Bahamut 10y ago
Can't speak for the author of the post you're replying to, but I'd wager it refers to the bad actors you find on GitHub and such where they contribute significant negative equity to an ecosystem.
mangeletti 10y ago
It's easier to illustrate by walking through an example timeline: 1. Framework X is created based on the vision of its founder 2. Lots of people begin to use it 3. X gets better and better (user feedback + excitement of the project's success) 4. X becomes super popular and attracts people from other frameworks 5. More and more contributors begin committing code (helpful, but hard to manage beyond a certain volume), and entropy increases - more bugs start getting through (think Rails, where there were loads of security and data loss bugs in the span of single years) 6. People bring their ideas with them, which is helpful at times, but which also begins to dilute the X creator's vision and replace it with a democratic vision (sometimes good, sometimes bad) 7. Social pressure causes the creator of X to begin changing his vision to accommodate the community The apex of quality is at # 4, and that's the point we're approaching now. Also worth noting is that this timeline isn't always followed exactly. Take Django, for instance. It was able to keep up with community demands without caving in to too many wild requests, and it managed entropy by keeping the number of core committers to a minimum for many years.
ci5er 10y ago
> I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before With some projects, it's both obvious and simple. Similar to eternal summer. Democracy means that all of us get to be dumber than any of us.
- thegeekpirate 10y ago
  You most likely meant "Eternal September".
  - ci5er 10y ago
    Yes. But longer. Because it starts even before the kids get back to school...

Bahamut 10y ago

Can't speak for the author of the post you're replying to, but I'd wager it refers to the bad actors you find on GitHub and such where they contribute significant negative equity to an ecosystem.

mangeletti 10y ago

It's easier to illustrate by walking through an example timeline: 1. Framework X is created based on the vision of its founder 2. Lots of people begin to use it 3. X gets better and better (user feedback + excitement of the project's success) 4. X becomes super popular and attracts people from other frameworks 5. More and more contributors begin committing code (helpful, but hard to manage beyond a certain volume), and entropy increases - more bugs start getting through (think Rails, where there were loads of security and data loss bugs in the span of single years) 6. People bring their ideas with them, which is helpful at times, but which also begins to dilute the X creator's vision and replace it with a democratic vision (sometimes good, sometimes bad) 7. Social pressure causes the creator of X to begin changing his vision to accommodate the community The apex of quality is at # 4, and that's the point we're approaching now. Also worth noting is that this timeline isn't always followed exactly. Take Django, for instance. It was able to keep up with community demands without caving in to too many wild requests, and it managed entropy by keeping the number of core committers to a minimum for many years.

ci5er 10y ago

> I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before With some projects, it's both obvious and simple. Similar to eternal summer. Democracy means that all of us get to be dumber than any of us.

thegeekpirate 10y ago
You most likely meant "Eternal September".
- ci5er 10y ago
  Yes. But longer. Because it starts even before the kids get back to school...