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I don't think it is. I've been closely keeping an eye on Vue since its first release, and it has really matured quite well and steadily since then. I like to re

I don't think it is. I've been closely keeping an eye on Vue since its first release, and it has really matured quite well and steadily since then. I like to reference Vue with the Crystal[1] programming language, which has looked closely on mainstream programming languages and adopted the good parts of them, like Go's concurrency model, Node's asynchronous I/O, Ruby's clean & straight-forward syntax and object-orientation model and the performance and interoperability with C. Similar to Crystal, Vue has looked at the other frameworks and adopted the good parts from them. I personally don't think the hype is anything but a result of hard work and a genuinely good framework. [1]: https://crystal-lang.org/ https://crystal-lang.org/

macspoofing 10y ago
>I don't think it is. You probably want to give it a bit more time. It takes 1 or 2 years after a js framework goes mainstream for the disillusionment and disappointment to set in. We are still in the Vue.js honeymoon phase.
- mangeletti 10y ago
  This is because it takes about one or two years before all the hordes of idiots to abandon the last ship they sank and come swimming full speed towards a new ship to sink. The unfortunate part is that it's moments like this (when a framework makes it into the spotlight in a big way like this) that those hordes begin their swim. Evan is an excellent developer, and it won't by through his volition that Vue gets ruined.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Could you expand more on how these hordes of idiots sinks framework by using it? I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before and I'd love you to expound further.
    - Bahamut 10y ago
      Can't speak for the author of the post you're replying to, but I'd wager it refers to the bad actors you find on GitHub and such where they contribute significant negative equity to an ecosystem.
    - mangeletti 10y ago
      It's easier to illustrate by walking through an example timeline: 1. Framework X is created based on the vision of its founder 2. Lots of people begin to use it 3. X gets better and better (user feedback + excitement of the project's success) 4. X becomes super popular and attracts people from other frameworks 5. More and more contributors begin committing code (helpful, but hard to manage beyond a certain volume), and entropy increases - more bugs start getting through (think Rails, where there were loads of security and data loss bugs in the span of single years) 6. People bring their ideas with them, which is helpful at times, but which also begins to dilute the X creator's vision and replace it with a democratic vision (sometimes good, sometimes bad) 7. Social pressure causes the creator of X to begin changing his vision to accommodate the community The apex of quality is at # 4, and that's the point we're approaching now. Also worth noting is that this timeline isn't always followed exactly. Take Django, for instance. It was able to keep up with community demands without caving in to too many wild requests, and it managed entropy by keeping the number of core committers to a minimum for many years.
    - ci5er 10y ago
      > I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before With some projects, it's both obvious and simple. Similar to eternal summer. Democracy means that all of us get to be dumber than any of us.
      - thegeekpirate 10y ago
        You most likely meant "Eternal September".
        ci5er 10y ago
        Yes. But longer. Because it starts even before the kids get back to school...
  - Touche 10y ago
    No, what happens is a new framework comes out that fixes the complexity problems of the previous popular framework, but ignores why that complexity existed in the first place. Once the new framework gains popularity the limitations caused by ignoring complexity start to surface and so the framework has to add features to handle them, creating complexity of its own. Then the cycle repeats itself.
    - mangeletti 10y ago
      See my explanation below my OP. Your comment is correct, but these complexities should not be solved in the framework, lest we forget the vision that drove the creation of this framework in the first place, providing an obstruction layer that doesn't solve all problems at all layers.
- sotojuan 10y ago
  Keep in mind Vue isn't backed by Facebook or Google, so it'll take longer for hype to set in as Evan You can't market it heavily or organize large conferences by himself.

macspoofing 10y ago

>I don't think it is. You probably want to give it a bit more time. It takes 1 or 2 years after a js framework goes mainstream for the disillusionment and disappointment to set in. We are still in the Vue.js honeymoon phase.

mangeletti 10y ago
This is because it takes about one or two years before all the hordes of idiots to abandon the last ship they sank and come swimming full speed towards a new ship to sink. The unfortunate part is that it's moments like this (when a framework makes it into the spotlight in a big way like this) that those hordes begin their swim. Evan is an excellent developer, and it won't by through his volition that Vue gets ruined.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Could you expand more on how these hordes of idiots sinks framework by using it? I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before and I'd love you to expound further.
  - Bahamut 10y ago
    Can't speak for the author of the post you're replying to, but I'd wager it refers to the bad actors you find on GitHub and such where they contribute significant negative equity to an ecosystem.
  - mangeletti 10y ago
    It's easier to illustrate by walking through an example timeline: 1. Framework X is created based on the vision of its founder 2. Lots of people begin to use it 3. X gets better and better (user feedback + excitement of the project's success) 4. X becomes super popular and attracts people from other frameworks 5. More and more contributors begin committing code (helpful, but hard to manage beyond a certain volume), and entropy increases - more bugs start getting through (think Rails, where there were loads of security and data loss bugs in the span of single years) 6. People bring their ideas with them, which is helpful at times, but which also begins to dilute the X creator's vision and replace it with a democratic vision (sometimes good, sometimes bad) 7. Social pressure causes the creator of X to begin changing his vision to accommodate the community The apex of quality is at # 4, and that's the point we're approaching now. Also worth noting is that this timeline isn't always followed exactly. Take Django, for instance. It was able to keep up with community demands without caving in to too many wild requests, and it managed entropy by keeping the number of core committers to a minimum for many years.
  - ci5er 10y ago
    > I've never come across a theory about this that's quite so tantalizingly bad before With some projects, it's both obvious and simple. Similar to eternal summer. Democracy means that all of us get to be dumber than any of us.
    - thegeekpirate 10y ago
      You most likely meant "Eternal September".
      - ci5er 10y ago
        Yes. But longer. Because it starts even before the kids get back to school...
- Touche 10y ago
  No, what happens is a new framework comes out that fixes the complexity problems of the previous popular framework, but ignores why that complexity existed in the first place. Once the new framework gains popularity the limitations caused by ignoring complexity start to surface and so the framework has to add features to handle them, creating complexity of its own. Then the cycle repeats itself.
  - mangeletti 10y ago
    See my explanation below my OP. Your comment is correct, but these complexities should not be solved in the framework, lest we forget the vision that drove the creation of this framework in the first place, providing an obstruction layer that doesn't solve all problems at all layers.
sotojuan 10y ago
Keep in mind Vue isn't backed by Facebook or Google, so it'll take longer for hype to set in as Evan You can't market it heavily or organize large conferences by himself.