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That job listing is just so sad. Who starts a senior android role's requirements with "git workflows"?

by jc4p 10y ago

hueving 10y ago
Organizations that heavily rely on git? It might seem trivial to you, but the last thing I want in a CI/CD pipeline is senior engineers that don't understand the underlying technology. Believe me, I've interviewed lots of people for senior positions that just haven't had to properly learn revision control. It's not a given.
- jc4p 10y ago
  Perhaps I should've gone in more detail. I'm not upset about them wanting people who are proficient in git, I'm saddened that the job listing doesn't mention anything about what a Senior Android Developer does at Weebly. The only Android related things on the job listing are proficiency with the IDE (Android Studio) and generic "frameworks". I am an Android engineer, I clicked this job listing earlier today when it was on HN because I was interested in it. From the perspective of a listing that tries to get a good funnel of candidates coming in, it does nothing for me. Would you apply to that job listing? I spend a lot of my day to day helping companies optimize their job listings, especially when they have high view numbers but low application click through rates, so this is a pet peeve.
  - sroussey 10y ago
    What are your suggestions?
    - jc4p 10y ago
      I wrote a post about this a while back: http://kasrarahjerdi.com/2016/08/on-developer-hiring/ http://kasrarahjerdi.com/2016/08/on-developer-hiring/ Basically I like job listings that include _specific_ information about the role at the company. Maybe that means listing some of the hard challenges the other people on the team have worked on recently, maybe it just means listing the frameworks and libraries they're using, but anything to help me differentiate their Android role from someone else's Android role.
      - sroussey 10y ago
        Great, thanks! The Android team is 2 people currently, so roles in such teams tend to be like roles in much smaller companies, but with a bit more infrastructure and process. I'll pass this around.
- hiou 10y ago
  How long would you estimate it takes someone to "properly learn version control"? When I work with very junior developers they pick up git quite well in a week or two at most. Beyond that almost every team I work with uses their own special homegrown git workflow anyway. I don't mean to put you down for you requirements but git is really really easy to learn. It would be a shame to miss out on a talented developer for something an otherwise well qualified developer could learn in a weekend.
  - popey456963 10y ago
    I feel obligated to link: https://xkcd.com/1597/ https://xkcd.com/1597/ Learning is not the same as memorising a few commands.
  - sroussey 10y ago
    What is bad in job listings is made up in the trial week: https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/trial-week-our-hiring-secret/# https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/trial-week-our-hiring-sec...
    - chris_7 10y ago
      I'd be very surprised if asking people to waste a week of vacation on only a 66% chance of getting a job (that they probably don't even need, if they're already employed) wasn't a strong filter against top performers. > I tell people that the worst case scenario is that they use a week of vacation, but because of the extra pay they can take a nicer vacation later on. I mean, how can they, if they've already used their vacation time?

That job listing is just so sad. Who starts a senior android role's requirements with "git workflows"?

by jc4p 10y ago

That job listing is just so sad. Who starts a senior android role's requirements with "git workflows"?

Organizations that heavily rely on git? It might seem trivial to you, but the last thing I want in a CI/CD pipeline is senior engineers that don't understand the underlying technology. Believe me, I've interviewed lots of people for senior positions that just haven't had to properly learn revision control. It's not a given.

jc4p 10y ago
Perhaps I should've gone in more detail. I'm not upset about them wanting people who are proficient in git, I'm saddened that the job listing doesn't mention anything about what a Senior Android Developer does at Weebly. The only Android related things on the job listing are proficiency with the IDE (Android Studio) and generic "frameworks". I am an Android engineer, I clicked this job listing earlier today when it was on HN because I was interested in it. From the perspective of a listing that tries to get a good funnel of candidates coming in, it does nothing for me. Would you apply to that job listing? I spend a lot of my day to day helping companies optimize their job listings, especially when they have high view numbers but low application click through rates, so this is a pet peeve.
- sroussey 10y ago
  What are your suggestions?
  - jc4p 10y ago
    I wrote a post about this a while back: http://kasrarahjerdi.com/2016/08/on-developer-hiring/ http://kasrarahjerdi.com/2016/08/on-developer-hiring/ Basically I like job listings that include _specific_ information about the role at the company. Maybe that means listing some of the hard challenges the other people on the team have worked on recently, maybe it just means listing the frameworks and libraries they're using, but anything to help me differentiate their Android role from someone else's Android role.
    - sroussey 10y ago
      Great, thanks! The Android team is 2 people currently, so roles in such teams tend to be like roles in much smaller companies, but with a bit more infrastructure and process. I'll pass this around.
hiou 10y ago
How long would you estimate it takes someone to "properly learn version control"? When I work with very junior developers they pick up git quite well in a week or two at most. Beyond that almost every team I work with uses their own special homegrown git workflow anyway. I don't mean to put you down for you requirements but git is really really easy to learn. It would be a shame to miss out on a talented developer for something an otherwise well qualified developer could learn in a weekend.
- popey456963 10y ago
  I feel obligated to link: https://xkcd.com/1597/ https://xkcd.com/1597/ Learning is not the same as memorising a few commands.
- sroussey 10y ago
  What is bad in job listings is made up in the trial week: https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/trial-week-our-hiring-secret/# https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/trial-week-our-hiring-sec...
  - chris_7 10y ago
    I'd be very surprised if asking people to waste a week of vacation on only a 66% chance of getting a job (that they probably don't even need, if they're already employed) wasn't a strong filter against top performers. > I tell people that the worst case scenario is that they use a week of vacation, but because of the extra pay they can take a nicer vacation later on. I mean, how can they, if they've already used their vacation time?