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So, here we are again, repeating history, deja vu Iraq war and WMD's that our intelligence community was so sure existed. I for one would really like to see th

by 13years 10y ago

So, here we are again, repeating history, deja vu Iraq war and WMD's that our intelligence community was so sure existed. I for one would really like to see this evidence and I'm very reluctant to just assume these people have it right as they have had it wrong so many times.

andreiw 10y ago
It gets better than this. Because regardless of the source, the contents of these emails is something the american public should be a lot more alarmed about. Anyway, the sheer fact that a phishing attempt at a personal email accout yielded anything already points to gross incompetence in the government. The miasma of email scandals around Clinton and her friends just keeps on spreading...
- foxylad 10y ago
  I think most people would consider an organisation running ancient badly configured un-patched mail servers much grosser incompetence than a gmail user getting phished. I'm not American so I have no skin in the game, but I'm surprised that Trump keeps banging on about the email server. If that (and that someone in her organisation got phished) is the worst you've got on Clinton, I'm glad that you're going to have such a clean president.
  - andreiw 10y ago
    lol but it's not... it's the actual contents that really matter! Google around...
  - zeroer 10y ago
    It's not by a long shot.
- mozumder 10y ago
  > Because regardless of the source, the contents of these emails is something the american public should be a lot more alarmed about. Not sure why you feel a risotto recipe is supposed to be critically important to the American public. I mean, don't we already know to add the broth in a little at a time? Are there really people that dump the entire broth in at once?
  - tmzt 10y ago
    No you add one part FEC-regulated campaign for federal office, two parts questionable journalistic ethics, and half a cup of PAC. Stir together until message and strategy are sufficiently coordinated and the desired component rises to the top (you should have already ensured this result before consulting the public). Then, as you said, slowly heat while adding the remaining broth. Non-partisan outrage and country-before-party are necessary reguardless of the names or affiliations.
mwfunk 10y ago
If you remember, the US intelligence community was hardly convinced that WMDs existed in Iraq. This was one of the most contentious things about the lead-up to the war. Many high-ranking officials lost their jobs because their organizations were not producing intelligence that confirmed the "Saddam has WMDs" narrative for the administration. Cheney essentially set up his own small intelligence organization that was distinct from the CIA, DIA, etc. in order to scrounge up smoking guns that the administration thought the rest of the US intelligence community was failing to locate.
- 13years 10y ago
  It might not be that different this time. Hard to tell yet. In that the administration attempts to present this as one unified voice. We have only a very general statement that does not say anything is actually 'confirmed'. It is speculative, so you could say the intelligence isn't convinced this time either. However, politicians are already spinning it for their agenda. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-pr...

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andreiw 10y ago

It gets better than this. Because regardless of the source, the contents of these emails is something the american public should be a lot more alarmed about. Anyway, the sheer fact that a phishing attempt at a personal email accout yielded anything already points to gross incompetence in the government. The miasma of email scandals around Clinton and her friends just keeps on spreading...

foxylad 10y ago
I think most people would consider an organisation running ancient badly configured un-patched mail servers much grosser incompetence than a gmail user getting phished. I'm not American so I have no skin in the game, but I'm surprised that Trump keeps banging on about the email server. If that (and that someone in her organisation got phished) is the worst you've got on Clinton, I'm glad that you're going to have such a clean president.
- andreiw 10y ago
  lol but it's not... it's the actual contents that really matter! Google around...
- zeroer 10y ago
  It's not by a long shot.
mozumder 10y ago
> Because regardless of the source, the contents of these emails is something the american public should be a lot more alarmed about. Not sure why you feel a risotto recipe is supposed to be critically important to the American public. I mean, don't we already know to add the broth in a little at a time? Are there really people that dump the entire broth in at once?
- tmzt 10y ago
  No you add one part FEC-regulated campaign for federal office, two parts questionable journalistic ethics, and half a cup of PAC. Stir together until message and strategy are sufficiently coordinated and the desired component rises to the top (you should have already ensured this result before consulting the public). Then, as you said, slowly heat while adding the remaining broth. Non-partisan outrage and country-before-party are necessary reguardless of the names or affiliations.

mwfunk 10y ago

If you remember, the US intelligence community was hardly convinced that WMDs existed in Iraq. This was one of the most contentious things about the lead-up to the war. Many high-ranking officials lost their jobs because their organizations were not producing intelligence that confirmed the "Saddam has WMDs" narrative for the administration. Cheney essentially set up his own small intelligence organization that was distinct from the CIA, DIA, etc. in order to scrounge up smoking guns that the administration thought the rest of the US intelligence community was failing to locate.

13years 10y ago
It might not be that different this time. Hard to tell yet. In that the administration attempts to present this as one unified voice. We have only a very general statement that does not say anything is actually 'confirmed'. It is speculative, so you could say the intelligence isn't convinced this time either. However, politicians are already spinning it for their agenda. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-pr...