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Given the saber rattling going on between the US and Russia at the moment, it would seem to matter very much. Blaming the Russians gives them more room to defle

by rfrank 10y ago

Given the saber rattling going on between the US and Russia at the moment, it would seem to matter very much. Blaming the Russians gives them more room to deflect without acknowledging content of the leaks.

dahdum 10y ago
You're right, I'm sure they tested the message "but...but...the Russians". I think HRC wins this easily, but these scandals won't just go away. There's enough meat in them to fuel 1-2 years of republican attacks. I fear she'll be the most ineffective President of my time.
- rfrank 10y ago
  Time will tell I suppose. Here's a fun one from today: https://i.redd.it/dxedkw7jwosx.png https://i.redd.it/dxedkw7jwosx.png
  - misiti3780 10y ago
    is that real ?
    - rfrank 10y ago
      yes: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23199 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23199
      - misiti3780 10y ago
        can you provide the link to reddit. it is hard to understand what the context is.
        rfrank 10y ago
        here's the link, largely just typical the_donald spam in comments that isn't terribly helpful haha. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/58j7jn/gentlement_i_believe_we_found_it_diane_feinstein/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/58j7jn/gentleme... based on dates in the message, they're likely referring to the hearing on 10/22/15.
        tmzt 10y ago
        A more specfic resource is /r/DNCleaks and seems to be less overtly partisan or pro-candidate.
      - eridius 10y ago
        The fact that it's on wikileaks doesn't actually prove it's real. Russia has already been proven to have altered a few documents in a big document dump they did a while back (I actually forget the specifics of this one, but it was on HN fairly recently). And Bruce Schneier wrote an article about this very subject a month ago (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/organizational_1.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/organizationa...).
        zeroer 10y ago
        While technically true, Wikileaks hasn't lied yet in their history.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago
        They used to say they had lots of people with the ability to protect sources back when they were just a few with no such ability. That's a nice start on integrity. Far as leaks, they posted a lot of them over time that people couldn't verify if they wanted to given lack of internal access. So, my claim on them wouldn't go as far as yours.
        eridius 10y ago
        Define "lied". Wikileaks publishes material that other people give them. I'm not saying Wikileaks would alter documents, I'm saying the people giving the documents to Wikileaks would alter them, and then Wikileaks will do its job and publish them.
        tmzt 10y ago
        Seems people are discovering DKIM. Messages are hashed and signed by a private key in the exclusive possesion of the email system, such as gmail. The public keys are published in DNS. This allows anyone to verify the messages are unaltered using widely available tools. It seems this system may have been in place on one of the Exchange servers as well, though the integrity of that key is questionable.
        eridius 10y ago
- 13years 10y ago
  Why should this fuel just Republican attacks? The number of people that walked out of the DNC convention because of the rigging against Sanders shows there is far more trouble than just Republicans. The movement within the DNC that actually stands against government corruption will only grow stronger.
  - mark_l_watson 10y ago
    Not very important, but: as a lifelong Democrat (voting since about 1970), I have left the Democratic party over the DNC cheating. Fed. Up. In the past I have donated a ton of money to Democratic candidates, so I still get lots of calls; I politely explain each time why I am no longer a Democrat. EDIT: some fundraising callers pretty much hang up on me in anger, but a lot are also sympathetic. Not hard evidence, but I have heard a convincing "I understand" often enough to think that a lot of rank and file Democrates are Fed. Up.
- zeroer 10y ago
  > I fear she'll be the most ineffective President of my time One could hope ...

by rfrank 10y ago

dahdum 10y ago

You're right, I'm sure they tested the message "but...but...the Russians". I think HRC wins this easily, but these scandals won't just go away. There's enough meat in them to fuel 1-2 years of republican attacks. I fear she'll be the most ineffective President of my time.

rfrank 10y ago
Time will tell I suppose. Here's a fun one from today: https://i.redd.it/dxedkw7jwosx.png https://i.redd.it/dxedkw7jwosx.png
- misiti3780 10y ago
  is that real ?
  - rfrank 10y ago
    yes: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23199 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23199
    - misiti3780 10y ago
      can you provide the link to reddit. it is hard to understand what the context is.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        here's the link, largely just typical the_donald spam in comments that isn't terribly helpful haha. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/58j7jn/gentlement_i_believe_we_found_it_diane_feinstein/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/58j7jn/gentleme... based on dates in the message, they're likely referring to the hearing on 10/22/15.
        tmzt 10y ago
        A more specfic resource is /r/DNCleaks and seems to be less overtly partisan or pro-candidate.
    - eridius 10y ago
      The fact that it's on wikileaks doesn't actually prove it's real. Russia has already been proven to have altered a few documents in a big document dump they did a while back (I actually forget the specifics of this one, but it was on HN fairly recently). And Bruce Schneier wrote an article about this very subject a month ago (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/organizational_1.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/organizationa...).
      - zeroer 10y ago
        While technically true, Wikileaks hasn't lied yet in their history.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago
        They used to say they had lots of people with the ability to protect sources back when they were just a few with no such ability. That's a nice start on integrity. Far as leaks, they posted a lot of them over time that people couldn't verify if they wanted to given lack of internal access. So, my claim on them wouldn't go as far as yours.
        eridius 10y ago
        Define "lied". Wikileaks publishes material that other people give them. I'm not saying Wikileaks would alter documents, I'm saying the people giving the documents to Wikileaks would alter them, and then Wikileaks will do its job and publish them.
      - tmzt 10y ago
        Seems people are discovering DKIM. Messages are hashed and signed by a private key in the exclusive possesion of the email system, such as gmail. The public keys are published in DNS. This allows anyone to verify the messages are unaltered using widely available tools. It seems this system may have been in place on one of the Exchange servers as well, though the integrity of that key is questionable.
        eridius 10y ago
13years 10y ago
Why should this fuel just Republican attacks? The number of people that walked out of the DNC convention because of the rigging against Sanders shows there is far more trouble than just Republicans. The movement within the DNC that actually stands against government corruption will only grow stronger.
- mark_l_watson 10y ago
  Not very important, but: as a lifelong Democrat (voting since about 1970), I have left the Democratic party over the DNC cheating. Fed. Up. In the past I have donated a ton of money to Democratic candidates, so I still get lots of calls; I politely explain each time why I am no longer a Democrat. EDIT: some fundraising callers pretty much hang up on me in anger, but a lot are also sympathetic. Not hard evidence, but I have heard a convincing "I understand" often enough to think that a lot of rank and file Democrates are Fed. Up.
zeroer 10y ago
> I fear she'll be the most ineffective President of my time One could hope ...