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Didn't Nokia try this already? I'm pretty sure the camera world has settled into two kinds of cameras: cell phones for people who just need to take a few snaps

by exelius 10y ago

Didn't Nokia try this already? I'm pretty sure the camera world has settled into two kinds of cameras: cell phones for people who just need to take a few snaps, and DSLRs for people who need more features than can possibly fit in a cameraphone (flash hotshoe, changeable lenses, larger sensor, etc). DSLRs are cheap enough that cost isn't really an issue. I doubt the results here will be any better than Nokia had.

radicaldreamer 10y ago
Panasonic has been shipping something similar for a while: https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARIT-DMC-CM10-S/dp/B01ASTGVDW https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARI...
- eveningcoffee 10y ago
  Yes, but would you make a phone call with it without looking like a dork talking to the camera? Kodak one looks a bit more discrete.
smacktoward 10y ago
The non-phone camera market is more diverse than that; beyond DSLRs there's also mirrorless cameras (for people who want near-DSLR performance in a lighter body) and point-and-shoots (for people who want better-than-smartphone performance but don't need swappable lenses).
jrockway 10y ago
Maybe, but there are plenty of people with cameras like the RX100.
- mslot 10y ago
  Was going to say, RX100 is in a class of its own :). I always have it with me when I travel and often have it my pocket just in case. I don't always use it, but it's small enough not to care. Especially for outdoors photography, an RX100 generally takes better pictures than a DSLR, because you're more likely to have it with you when a good picture opportunity arises.
  - eveningcoffee 10y ago
    The best camera is the one you have with you. :) Now, if you have multiple cameras...
  - jrockway 10y ago
    Technically Canon and Panasonic have competing models ;) But yeah, someone on G+ asked me, "did you get rid of your DSLR?" because all I ever post are RX100 pictures these days. I did not get rid of my DSLR, I use it for "studio" stuff, but for going out and about the RX100 is the best possible currently-available camera. (It could be smaller. But that 1" sensor is just amazing, often yielding 21,000,000 usable pixels. My iPhone just yields photograph-styled noise reduction artifacts.)
eveningcoffee 10y ago
First it was a Windows phone, so it is hard to compare. Second I think that your view is too simplistic. There are more use cases than these two. Some people prefer Fuji cameras over DSLRs, some probably would like to have a potentially decent camera with them all the time, but did not bother to have a Windows phone. We are about to find out how big is this market.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  And the Nokia cameras/phones were really slow. Nearly unusable to just pull out and get quick shots off.
ozgung 10y ago
This can be the third product category. Samsung also had similar products like galaxy s4 zoom but it was looking like a plastic and bulky point-and-shoot camera. I really like the design and build of this Kodak camera and I am ready to replace both my DSLR and my phone with something like this. Of course it has to be a decent smartphone and the camera must be superior to any other smartphone cameras.
pauljaworski 10y ago
Compact mirrorless cameras are the big third category you're missing, I think. They're the perfect mix of quality, portability, and discreetness, which makes them excellent for travel and street photography. The Fuji X series are great examples. I wouldn't dream of taking my Canon 6D backpacking, but my X100T goes with me everywhere and produces excellent shots. My Instagram handle is @paulwithap if you want to see some examples (I rarely post there anymore, so this is definitely not a shameless plug ;)
- sjm 10y ago
  Agreed! I used to have a Nikon D7000, which isn't even that big when it comes to DSLRs, but it was too heavy and too big and I ended up basically never taking it out, sometimes even while traveling. About two years ago I got a Fuji X-T1 and it's honestly one of the best things I've ever bought. It's small, light enough, amazingly built, their lenses are incredible, and it's just so functional. The WiFi functionality is awesome because with only my phone I can transfer pictures and post on Instagram while traveling. The straight out of camera JPEGs are so good I never do any editing.
  - pauljaworski 10y ago
    Yep! My next camera purchase is the X-T2. I can't wait!

by exelius 10y ago

radicaldreamer 10y ago

Panasonic has been shipping something similar for a while: https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARIT-DMC-CM10-S/dp/B01ASTGVDW https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARI...

eveningcoffee 10y ago
Yes, but would you make a phone call with it without looking like a dork talking to the camera? Kodak one looks a bit more discrete.

smacktoward 10y ago

The non-phone camera market is more diverse than that; beyond DSLRs there's also mirrorless cameras (for people who want near-DSLR performance in a lighter body) and point-and-shoots (for people who want better-than-smartphone performance but don't need swappable lenses).

jrockway 10y ago

Maybe, but there are plenty of people with cameras like the RX100.

mslot 10y ago
Was going to say, RX100 is in a class of its own :). I always have it with me when I travel and often have it my pocket just in case. I don't always use it, but it's small enough not to care. Especially for outdoors photography, an RX100 generally takes better pictures than a DSLR, because you're more likely to have it with you when a good picture opportunity arises.
- eveningcoffee 10y ago
  The best camera is the one you have with you. :) Now, if you have multiple cameras...
- jrockway 10y ago
  Technically Canon and Panasonic have competing models ;) But yeah, someone on G+ asked me, "did you get rid of your DSLR?" because all I ever post are RX100 pictures these days. I did not get rid of my DSLR, I use it for "studio" stuff, but for going out and about the RX100 is the best possible currently-available camera. (It could be smaller. But that 1" sensor is just amazing, often yielding 21,000,000 usable pixels. My iPhone just yields photograph-styled noise reduction artifacts.)

eveningcoffee 10y ago

First it was a Windows phone, so it is hard to compare. Second I think that your view is too simplistic. There are more use cases than these two. Some people prefer Fuji cameras over DSLRs, some probably would like to have a potentially decent camera with them all the time, but did not bother to have a Windows phone. We are about to find out how big is this market.

MichaelGG 10y ago
And the Nokia cameras/phones were really slow. Nearly unusable to just pull out and get quick shots off.

ozgung 10y ago

This can be the third product category. Samsung also had similar products like galaxy s4 zoom but it was looking like a plastic and bulky point-and-shoot camera. I really like the design and build of this Kodak camera and I am ready to replace both my DSLR and my phone with something like this. Of course it has to be a decent smartphone and the camera must be superior to any other smartphone cameras.

pauljaworski 10y ago

Compact mirrorless cameras are the big third category you're missing, I think. They're the perfect mix of quality, portability, and discreetness, which makes them excellent for travel and street photography. The Fuji X series are great examples. I wouldn't dream of taking my Canon 6D backpacking, but my X100T goes with me everywhere and produces excellent shots. My Instagram handle is @paulwithap if you want to see some examples (I rarely post there anymore, so this is definitely not a shameless plug ;)

sjm 10y ago
Agreed! I used to have a Nikon D7000, which isn't even that big when it comes to DSLRs, but it was too heavy and too big and I ended up basically never taking it out, sometimes even while traveling. About two years ago I got a Fuji X-T1 and it's honestly one of the best things I've ever bought. It's small, light enough, amazingly built, their lenses are incredible, and it's just so functional. The WiFi functionality is awesome because with only my phone I can transfer pictures and post on Instagram while traveling. The straight out of camera JPEGs are so good I never do any editing.
- pauljaworski 10y ago
  Yep! My next camera purchase is the X-T2. I can't wait!