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"My educated predictions on this chart are: We'll see Geary BRT, Geneva BRT, 19th Ave Rapid, and the M extension to Park Merced. Maybe some new signals and bike
by rsync 10y ago
"My educated predictions on this chart are: We'll see Geary BRT, Geneva BRT, 19th Ave Rapid, and the M extension to Park Merced. Maybe some new signals and bike lanes. That's it."
So sad ... so sad and lame. BRT is such a half-assed, half-cracked solution.[1]
What's even more lame is the fact that the one new subway built in 40 years is very short and doesn't extend to its obvious, natural limits - fisherman's wharf.
Billions of dollars and 40 years later, you can finally walk downstairs, buy a ticket, wait a few minutes, ride a train, walk back upstairs all to avoid walking 6 blocks.
[1] To be fair, I have seen it work in Boulder (hop/skip) and in the roaring fork valley (Aspen) but these are low density places where real public transit (subway and light rail) are not workable. Unlike San Francisco.
- chadgeidel 10y agoRespectfully, the Hop and Skip in Boulder (as well as the Flatiron Flyer) aren't BRT - they are just plain old busses. A crucial part of BRT is dedicated lanes. Don't get me wrong. I think transit here in Denver/Boulder is pretty good, but we don't have BRT (despite what RTD tells us).
- rsync 10y agoYes, I suppose they do not have dedicated lanes but the "every ten minutes" model of frequent arrival (as opposed to running on a typical bus schedule) I think puts them more in the category of BRT ... My other example - VelociRFTA in the Roaring Fork Valley (Glenwood to Aspen) also does not have dedicated lanes, but the state of CO and local agencies specifically refer to it as BRT ...
- ardacinar 10y agoIf "running every 10 minutes" model makes you a BRT, then that makes practically all (somewhat-)working high-frequency buses BRTs. I can give around 50 examples from Istanbul alone
- jhbadger 10y agoYeah, but not in America, which is what we are talking about. I used to live in San Diego and took buses that ran once an hour. A high frequency bus was one that ran every 30 minutes.
- nkoren 10y ago"Every 10 minutes" is a completely typical bus schedule, in the civilised world (greetings from London, or basically any European city of consequence). It's not BRT at all. There are Brazilian BRT lines which run vehicles every 60 seconds -- THAT is how BRT works.
- mahyarm 10y agoThe central subway doesn't even get to the caltrain station underground. It under delivered on both ends.
- mmagin 10y agoUh, it looks like it's supposed to when it's finished.
- harmmonica 10y agoThink it's surface until it's north of Brannan (but pretty sure that's always been the plan or at least since it was approved). http://www.centralsubwaysf.com/content/faqs#stationlocation http://www.centralsubwaysf.com/content/faqs#stationlocation
- mcpherrinm 10y agoThe Central Subway has three underground stops: 4th & Folsom (Yerba Buena / Moscone) is the closest underground one to Caltrain. The tunnel emerges under the I-80 and has an above-ground station at Caltrain. Caltrain's DTX (Downtown Rail Extension) doesn't connect to the Central Subway either.
- wahern 10y agoI think there's supposed to be a pedestrian tunnel from the Caltrain Transit Center station to Market St. And that would be perfectly fine. One of the reasons subways cost so much money is because stations are so expensive. And stations are so expensive because everybody nit-picks. In the the United States today large public works projects only happen after near unanimous consensus. The result is that when these projects do happen, they're incredibly expensive in order to satisfy each and every desire. Just like the OP said--we'll never see another subway line in San Francisco for the foreseeable future because there's too much "community involvement". Everybody wants to criticize and nobody wants to compromise. It's a large problem in the US on the whole, and it's led to paralysis.
- mmagin 10y ago