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You're proposing quite a lot of bureaucracy to solve a problem which literally does not exist. Despite extreme focus on this issue by right-wing groups in the

by TillE 10y ago

You're proposing quite a lot of bureaucracy to solve a problem which literally does not exist. Despite extreme focus on this issue by right-wing groups in the past decade or so, the number of cases of voter fraud is laughably small.

Alupis 10y ago
A quick google search seems to claim otherwise. I've seeing articles as extreme as claiming 1 in 5 registered voters in Ohio are bogus individuals.[1] It seems, it matters greatly who does the "investigation" and in what light/political climate. Regardless, even if there was zero voter fraud - it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc... but not when you vote. [1] http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/ http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-o...
- crooked-v 10y ago
  Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes [1], is there any indication that these ineligible voters on the rolls actual lead to more voter fraud? Given that the actual article being indirectly clickbaited [2] suggests these ineligible voters are people who "haven’t voted in at least four years or [...] apparently have moved", is there any evidence to suggest that they are "bogus" rather than normal people with out-of-date paperwork? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com... [2]: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/vot...
- bdavisx 10y ago
  >it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc The difference between those things you listed and the right to vote is that they aren't listed in the constitution -- and it doesn't say anything about an ID card being needed to exercise that right. But it does say that race and a number of other factors should have no bearing. It's funny that the "constitution party" (as some Republicans call themselves) seem to forget that.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    You're clearly forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the part that says Citizens have the right to vote - not "every person". ID'ing voters is simply a mechanism to protect Citizen's rights, as well as the integrity of our democracy.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    The Constitution Party is an actual minor party, not an alternative name for the Republican Party.
    - bdavisx 10y ago
      OK, then I should have said the "party that wraps themselves in the constitution any chance they get".
      - dllthomas 10y ago
        Both major parties (and probably all third parties) do that, they just pick different parts to focus on and different parts to ignore.
  - Torgo 10y ago
    You need a picture ID to enter a federal courthouse but you have a right to enter a courthouse.

by TillE 10y ago

Alupis 10y ago

A quick google search seems to claim otherwise. I've seeing articles as extreme as claiming 1 in 5 registered voters in Ohio are bogus individuals.[1] It seems, it matters greatly who does the "investigation" and in what light/political climate. Regardless, even if there was zero voter fraud - it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc... but not when you vote. [1] http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/ http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-o...

crooked-v 10y ago
Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes [1], is there any indication that these ineligible voters on the rolls actual lead to more voter fraud? Given that the actual article being indirectly clickbaited [2] suggests these ineligible voters are people who "haven’t voted in at least four years or [...] apparently have moved", is there any evidence to suggest that they are "bogus" rather than normal people with out-of-date paperwork? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com... [2]: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/vot...
bdavisx 10y ago
>it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc The difference between those things you listed and the right to vote is that they aren't listed in the constitution -- and it doesn't say anything about an ID card being needed to exercise that right. But it does say that race and a number of other factors should have no bearing. It's funny that the "constitution party" (as some Republicans call themselves) seem to forget that.
- Alupis 10y ago
  You're clearly forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the part that says Citizens have the right to vote - not "every person". ID'ing voters is simply a mechanism to protect Citizen's rights, as well as the integrity of our democracy.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  The Constitution Party is an actual minor party, not an alternative name for the Republican Party.
  - bdavisx 10y ago
    OK, then I should have said the "party that wraps themselves in the constitution any chance they get".
    - dllthomas 10y ago
      Both major parties (and probably all third parties) do that, they just pick different parts to focus on and different parts to ignore.
- Torgo 10y ago
  You need a picture ID to enter a federal courthouse but you have a right to enter a courthouse.