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Citizens living abroad are generally known, either via tax filings or you notified the embassy, etc. I'd think people living abroad are a small enough number t

by Alupis 10y ago

Citizens living abroad are generally known, either via tax filings or you notified the embassy, etc. I'd think people living abroad are a small enough number to manage some other means of verification (such as your social security number, which every citizen has for free, can only be used to vote 1 time per election). > Because there are many people who bristle at the thought of being required to possess a government-issued ID Fair point - however they all already have a government issued ID - a social security number. Instead of a driver's license, we could use that then. I'm just arguing for _some_ form of verification that you are who you claim to be, and that you only get 1 vote per election. Right now, you can walk into a voting center and just make up a name. The person will find you somewhere on the list and either admit you to vote without any further scrutiny, or inform you that your voting place is someplace else (they'll even give you the address!).

TillE 10y ago
You're proposing quite a lot of bureaucracy to solve a problem which literally does not exist. Despite extreme focus on this issue by right-wing groups in the past decade or so, the number of cases of voter fraud is laughably small.
- Alupis 10y ago
  A quick google search seems to claim otherwise. I've seeing articles as extreme as claiming 1 in 5 registered voters in Ohio are bogus individuals.[1] It seems, it matters greatly who does the "investigation" and in what light/political climate. Regardless, even if there was zero voter fraud - it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc... but not when you vote. [1] http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/ http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-o...
  - crooked-v 10y ago
    Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes [1], is there any indication that these ineligible voters on the rolls actual lead to more voter fraud? Given that the actual article being indirectly clickbaited [2] suggests these ineligible voters are people who "haven’t voted in at least four years or [...] apparently have moved", is there any evidence to suggest that they are "bogus" rather than normal people with out-of-date paperwork? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com... [2]: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/vot...
  - bdavisx 10y ago
    >it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc The difference between those things you listed and the right to vote is that they aren't listed in the constitution -- and it doesn't say anything about an ID card being needed to exercise that right. But it does say that race and a number of other factors should have no bearing. It's funny that the "constitution party" (as some Republicans call themselves) seem to forget that.
    - Alupis 10y ago
      You're clearly forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the part that says Citizens have the right to vote - not "every person". ID'ing voters is simply a mechanism to protect Citizen's rights, as well as the integrity of our democracy.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      The Constitution Party is an actual minor party, not an alternative name for the Republican Party.
      - bdavisx 10y ago
        OK, then I should have said the "party that wraps themselves in the constitution any chance they get".
        dllthomas 10y ago
        Both major parties (and probably all third parties) do that, they just pick different parts to focus on and different parts to ignore.
    - Torgo 10y ago
      You need a picture ID to enter a federal courthouse but you have a right to enter a courthouse.

by Alupis 10y ago

TillE 10y ago

You're proposing quite a lot of bureaucracy to solve a problem which literally does not exist. Despite extreme focus on this issue by right-wing groups in the past decade or so, the number of cases of voter fraud is laughably small.

Alupis 10y ago
A quick google search seems to claim otherwise. I've seeing articles as extreme as claiming 1 in 5 registered voters in Ohio are bogus individuals.[1] It seems, it matters greatly who does the "investigation" and in what light/political climate. Regardless, even if there was zero voter fraud - it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc... but not when you vote. [1] http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/ http://humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-o...
- crooked-v 10y ago
  Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes [1], is there any indication that these ineligible voters on the rolls actual lead to more voter fraud? Given that the actual article being indirectly clickbaited [2] suggests these ineligible voters are people who "haven’t voted in at least four years or [...] apparently have moved", is there any evidence to suggest that they are "bogus" rather than normal people with out-of-date paperwork? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com... [2]: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/vot...
- bdavisx 10y ago
  >it's crazy to think we check ID's to buy cough syrup, alcohol, every time you use a credit card, see a rated R movie, rent a car, rent an apartment, etc The difference between those things you listed and the right to vote is that they aren't listed in the constitution -- and it doesn't say anything about an ID card being needed to exercise that right. But it does say that race and a number of other factors should have no bearing. It's funny that the "constitution party" (as some Republicans call themselves) seem to forget that.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    You're clearly forgetting (or choosing to ignore) the part that says Citizens have the right to vote - not "every person". ID'ing voters is simply a mechanism to protect Citizen's rights, as well as the integrity of our democracy.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    The Constitution Party is an actual minor party, not an alternative name for the Republican Party.
    - bdavisx 10y ago
      OK, then I should have said the "party that wraps themselves in the constitution any chance they get".
      - dllthomas 10y ago
        Both major parties (and probably all third parties) do that, they just pick different parts to focus on and different parts to ignore.
  - Torgo 10y ago
    You need a picture ID to enter a federal courthouse but you have a right to enter a courthouse.