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I hate to be cynical but there are groups who push back on ID'ing folks for voting, and my suspicion is their motivation is the illegitimate voters that weeds o

I hate to be cynical but there are groups who push back on ID'ing folks for voting, and my suspicion is their motivation is the illegitimate voters that weeds out. It really is the only reasoning that makes sense to me.

evgen 10y ago
Given that there are statistically NO illegitimate voters to be weeded out, I think you have to look elsewhere to find the source of the pushback. Maybe check out the several states have used voter ID laws as a way to target and suppress minority voters (and been slapped back by various appellate courts over the past few months) for a start.
crooked-v 10y ago
Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes[1], what illegitimate voters are you talking about? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...
serge2k 10y ago
Federal judges recently struck down portions of voter ID laws in North Carolina and Wisconsin In the case of Wisconsin > “The evidence in this case casts doubt on the notion that voter ID laws foster integrity and confidence,” Peterson wrote. “The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities. To put it bluntly, Wisconsin’s strict version of voter ID law is a cure worse than the disease.” In North Carolina, > “The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-c... In the case of North Carolina the representatives actually asked for information on how the proposed law would affect African American voters, then went ahead and did exactly the worst things. Besides that https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...
- Jtsummers 10y ago
  NC is also terribly gerrymandered. It's a shame, I really liked living there. But, politically, it's a mess. A great state for higher education (Duke, the various UNCs, NCSU) and working in the tech industry (and others), but absolutely pitiful handling of K-12 education, voter and civil rights. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymandering-supreme-court-us-election-north-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymanderi...

evgen 10y ago

Given that there are statistically NO illegitimate voters to be weeded out, I think you have to look elsewhere to find the source of the pushback. Maybe check out the several states have used voter ID laws as a way to target and suppress minority voters (and been slapped back by various appellate courts over the past few months) for a start.

crooked-v 10y ago

Given that investigations have found about 30 cases of voter fraud per billion votes[1], what illegitimate voters are you talking about? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

serge2k 10y ago

Federal judges recently struck down portions of voter ID laws in North Carolina and Wisconsin In the case of Wisconsin > “The evidence in this case casts doubt on the notion that voter ID laws foster integrity and confidence,” Peterson wrote. “The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities. To put it bluntly, Wisconsin’s strict version of voter ID law is a cure worse than the disease.” In North Carolina, > “The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-c... In the case of North Carolina the representatives actually asked for information on how the proposed law would affect African American voters, then went ahead and did exactly the worst things. Besides that https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

Jtsummers 10y ago
NC is also terribly gerrymandered. It's a shame, I really liked living there. But, politically, it's a mess. A great state for higher education (Duke, the various UNCs, NCSU) and working in the tech industry (and others), but absolutely pitiful handling of K-12 education, voter and civil rights. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymandering-supreme-court-us-election-north-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/gerrymanderi...