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But the federal government was not granted the power to enforce how states issue IDs.

by rblatz 10y ago

evgen 10y ago
Nor is the federal government mandated to accept a state ID for federal identification purposes if it decides that the procedures for issuing those IDs does not meet certain minimum standards.
- AnthonyMouse 10y ago
  The problem is that the federal government is pestering the states about it. If they wanted to just require you to use a federal passport they could, but then citizens would object to that for much the same reasons they object to this.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    One scenario is that federal regulations might require you to acquire and show a federal passport in order to board a flight originating and terminating in your own state. I don't know about anyone else, but I was raised to believe that requiring internal passports for travel is a hallmark of repressive authoritarian regimes.
    - AnthonyMouse 10y ago
      That's the issue. People see straight through it when you require an actual passport, so they're trying to turn a driver's license into an internal passport and hope nobody connects the dots.
- CWuestefeld 10y ago
  It's turtles all the way down. I think you'll find that many of the activities they want us to use a federally-acceptable ID for are not, themselves, covered in Article I Section 8.
SystemOut 10y ago
But they can specify what kind of IDs are necessary to enter federally managed areas such as military bases and other agencies.
- nickff 10y ago
  To some degree perhaps, but it also cannot discriminate against citizens of certain states, as that would be a clear violation of the 14th Amendment.[1] Depending on the test you use for what counts as discrimination, you might find that disallowing certain states' IDs is illegal and/or unconstitutional; for instance, it is clearly discriminatory based on a disparate impact analysis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

But the federal government was not granted the power to enforce how states issue IDs.

by rblatz 10y ago

But the federal government was not granted the power to enforce how states issue IDs.

evgen 10y ago

Nor is the federal government mandated to accept a state ID for federal identification purposes if it decides that the procedures for issuing those IDs does not meet certain minimum standards.

AnthonyMouse 10y ago
The problem is that the federal government is pestering the states about it. If they wanted to just require you to use a federal passport they could, but then citizens would object to that for much the same reasons they object to this.
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  One scenario is that federal regulations might require you to acquire and show a federal passport in order to board a flight originating and terminating in your own state. I don't know about anyone else, but I was raised to believe that requiring internal passports for travel is a hallmark of repressive authoritarian regimes.
  - AnthonyMouse 10y ago
    That's the issue. People see straight through it when you require an actual passport, so they're trying to turn a driver's license into an internal passport and hope nobody connects the dots.
CWuestefeld 10y ago
It's turtles all the way down. I think you'll find that many of the activities they want us to use a federally-acceptable ID for are not, themselves, covered in Article I Section 8.

SystemOut 10y ago

But they can specify what kind of IDs are necessary to enter federally managed areas such as military bases and other agencies.

nickff 10y ago
To some degree perhaps, but it also cannot discriminate against citizens of certain states, as that would be a clear violation of the 14th Amendment.[1] Depending on the test you use for what counts as discrimination, you might find that disallowing certain states' IDs is illegal and/or unconstitutional; for instance, it is clearly discriminatory based on a disparate impact analysis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause