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I am running a popular website. In 2008, Firefox made up for over 80% of my users. Then Chrome came along, using all cpus and cores of the computer it runs on.

by helly 10y ago

I am running a popular website. In 2008, Firefox made up for over 80% of my users. Then Chrome came along, using all cpus and cores of the computer it runs on. A huge performance advantage. Firefox usage started to decline. Year after year, they added features, branding, etc. Never addressed the performance issue. Now Firefox is used by less then 10% of my users. And even with E10s, Firefox uses only one core for all scripts in all tabs. It even gets completely clogged up if there is one slow script in some tab. I would love to know how the roadmap is decided on over at Mozilla. Everybody I talk to says "Nah, it's slow. I use Chrome". Yet they did never address it. Why?

ohthehugemanate 10y ago
You have to remember that Firefox's core was first written in a very different era of computing. E10s required a complete rewrite of really core components for Firefox. It took years to get it working, and it turned out to be impossible to make compatible with existing extension code, etc etc. FWIW, give a try to Firefox with E10s, or better yet, firefox developer edition. I find it much faster than chrome.
gcp 10y ago
And even with E10s, Firefox uses only one core for all scripts in all tabs. This is "dom.ipc.processCount". My understanding is that it'll be defaulted to >1 in Nightly soonish. For most people it "just works". https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207306 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207306 Yet they did never address it. Why? E10s was in the works for several years (while people where whining about the user-visible stuff, like branding).
- wiredearp 10y ago
  There was an article outlining rollout of "Multi Process Firefox" over on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/08/02/whats-next-for-multi-process-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/08/02/whats-nex.... My favorite Mozilla art direction will always be the socialist propaganda branding as seen on https://www.google.dk/search?q=mozilla+soviet+propaganda&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE1NTX2-nPAhWDKJoKHTSIDtAQ_AUIBygB&biw=540&bih=831 https://www.google.dk/search?q=mozilla+soviet+propaganda&prm...
  - omnimus 10y ago
    Just detail. its not socialist its soviet propaganda
    - wiredearp 10y ago
      Right. That's also what I typed in the search query, but then there was Mao in the first image and then somone would claim it was in fact communist and not soviet propaganda after all. I guess that soviet propaganda is the best term for the graphical ism, but I wonder if there is a better term. It's all quite awesome.
omnimus 10y ago
try nightly or developer edition. Its fast without consuming 10gigs of ram as chrome does wit 20tabs. Lets not forget that big part of what made chrome leader was branding. Even the idea that chrome is so fast was put into our heads using those expensive chrome lighting ads.

by helly 10y ago

ohthehugemanate 10y ago

You have to remember that Firefox's core was first written in a very different era of computing. E10s required a complete rewrite of really core components for Firefox. It took years to get it working, and it turned out to be impossible to make compatible with existing extension code, etc etc. FWIW, give a try to Firefox with E10s, or better yet, firefox developer edition. I find it much faster than chrome.

gcp 10y ago

And even with E10s, Firefox uses only one core for all scripts in all tabs. This is "dom.ipc.processCount". My understanding is that it'll be defaulted to >1 in Nightly soonish. For most people it "just works". https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207306 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207306 Yet they did never address it. Why? E10s was in the works for several years (while people where whining about the user-visible stuff, like branding).

wiredearp 10y ago
There was an article outlining rollout of "Multi Process Firefox" over on https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/08/02/whats-next-for-multi-process-firefox/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/08/02/whats-nex.... My favorite Mozilla art direction will always be the socialist propaganda branding as seen on https://www.google.dk/search?q=mozilla+soviet+propaganda&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE1NTX2-nPAhWDKJoKHTSIDtAQ_AUIBygB&biw=540&bih=831 https://www.google.dk/search?q=mozilla+soviet+propaganda&prm...
- omnimus 10y ago
  Just detail. its not socialist its soviet propaganda
  - wiredearp 10y ago
    Right. That's also what I typed in the search query, but then there was Mao in the first image and then somone would claim it was in fact communist and not soviet propaganda after all. I guess that soviet propaganda is the best term for the graphical ism, but I wonder if there is a better term. It's all quite awesome.

omnimus 10y ago

try nightly or developer edition. Its fast without consuming 10gigs of ram as chrome does wit 20tabs. Lets not forget that big part of what made chrome leader was branding. Even the idea that chrome is so fast was put into our heads using those expensive chrome lighting ads.