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The only problem is, Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy. So once they upgrade the sensors, what good is the data from the old sensors

The only problem is, Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy. So once they upgrade the sensors, what good is the data from the old sensors? Perhaps it's possible to extrapolate the data somehow, to have a database of "situations" rather than actual sensor data?

dabeeeenster 10y ago
Your sensor suite is two cameras below the level of the rear view mirror and two microphones.
- MertsA 10y ago
  And look at how many accidents that causes. We also have a highly refined system to process that input and from the looks of it, this is a very hard problem to solve with a computer. I don't think stereoscopic vision and a few microphones can ever beat a human driver on average for all types edge cases without creating a good artificial general intelligence first. I think a combination of LIDAR and cameras is probably going to be required for a truly autonomous car, at least for the first decade or two.
davedx 10y ago
What do you make of this, then? https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardwar...
- svantana 10y ago
  That I would call: driving autonomously with a human driver ready to take over if something unexpected were to happen. I believe that to get to superhuman performance (which is probably what will be needed to make it legal) you will need 360 degree ranging (i.e. LIDAR). Also, it is inevitable that these sensors will become so cheap that it's a no-brainer to include them.
  - davedx 10y ago
    You said: "Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy" The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions. How about accepting that the sensor suite is adequate?
    - mlvljr 10y ago
      Based on a 4 minutes long heavily edited video? :)
    - EmployedRussian 10y ago
      > The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions. The video shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of (relatively) easy driving conditions. 1. There is not a single "sticky" situation in that video. Handling 90% of situations is (relatively) easy; it's the last 1% that is extremely hard. 2. It's not clear how many tries it took to record that video, but likely more than one. 3. At the end of the video, the car drives in the opposite lane of where it's supposed to. That smells of a highly-staged demo, not a general purpose solution. In short, this video in no way proves that the sensor suite is anywhere close to being sufficient. Can that car repeat the same trip at night? In rain? Can it drive down Castro St. in Mountain View or University St. in Palo Alto at lunch time? Etc. etc.

dabeeeenster 10y ago

Your sensor suite is two cameras below the level of the rear view mirror and two microphones.

MertsA 10y ago
And look at how many accidents that causes. We also have a highly refined system to process that input and from the looks of it, this is a very hard problem to solve with a computer. I don't think stereoscopic vision and a few microphones can ever beat a human driver on average for all types edge cases without creating a good artificial general intelligence first. I think a combination of LIDAR and cameras is probably going to be required for a truly autonomous car, at least for the first decade or two.

davedx 10y ago

What do you make of this, then? https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardwar...

svantana 10y ago
That I would call: driving autonomously with a human driver ready to take over if something unexpected were to happen. I believe that to get to superhuman performance (which is probably what will be needed to make it legal) you will need 360 degree ranging (i.e. LIDAR). Also, it is inevitable that these sensors will become so cheap that it's a no-brainer to include them.
- davedx 10y ago
  You said: "Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy" The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions. How about accepting that the sensor suite is adequate?
  - mlvljr 10y ago
    Based on a 4 minutes long heavily edited video? :)
  - EmployedRussian 10y ago
    > The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions. The video shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of (relatively) easy driving conditions. 1. There is not a single "sticky" situation in that video. Handling 90% of situations is (relatively) easy; it's the last 1% that is extremely hard. 2. It's not clear how many tries it took to record that video, but likely more than one. 3. At the end of the video, the car drives in the opposite lane of where it's supposed to. That smells of a highly-staged demo, not a general purpose solution. In short, this video in no way proves that the sensor suite is anywhere close to being sufficient. Can that car repeat the same trip at night? In rain? Can it drive down Castro St. in Mountain View or University St. in Palo Alto at lunch time? Etc. etc.