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May reason trump the Trump in all of us

18 points by ikeboy 10y ago

smegel 10y ago
I really hope Trump wins. It will be the biggest smackdown of screaming SJW types (not to mention Buzzfeed) and whiny black-lives-matter-but-only-when-the-killer-is-a-white-police-officer agitators for years.
- bzzat 10y ago
  Trump will lose. Badly. And it will be precisely because of bigotry, really terrible ideas, irrational anger, and outright ignorance. Exactly like those expressed in your comment.
  - candiodari 10y ago
    The financial press is full of these statements. They do, however, often mention just how sure they were about the Brexit vote. Essentially, Trump will win if he can put "normal America" against the 10%. There is a (very) large part of America that is very very much not happy with how things are going. If Trump can be the anti-establishment candidate I am convinced he will win. There's a number of things that could easily happen, for instance, if the establishment were to appear to screw up in the next 3 weeks (a war, a terror attack, a stock market crash, a large bankruptcy, a huge layoff, ...*) Trump would be pretty much assured victory. That seems to be the strategy. Of course, that's never going to get him anywhere on Hacker News. But that doesn't even appear necessary: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N US households have slowly lost living standards since about 2000. The difference in experience for most households since 2000 would be small, until the 2008 crisis happened. Then it was extremely noticable and it still hasn't recovered. This means that there is in fact a basis for a large part of America to be unhappy about how the country's going. 2 comments about this graph: 1) It's an average. Because of outliers at the top, the "normal" experience is really below it, even more so since 2008 because for "the 1%", ie. the top, there was little downward slope, and in fact a constant upward slope since about 2003-2004. This came at the expense of the large majority of the US. 2) it's using PCE deflator inflation statistics, not CPI, which is what is felt by ordinary Americans. PCE deflator is often criticized for being an underestimate of real inflation, so there is an argument you should take out about 0.2% year-on-year starting in 2000. That makes the graph much worse than it already is. I'm not counting Trump out.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Black Lives Master was formed in response to the killing of Trayvon Martin, who's killer was not a "white police officer".
- krapp 10y ago
  I must have missed the part where Trump promised to round all of the "screaming SJW types" and assorted left-wing strawmen up into camps, or whatever this "smackdown" you're looking forward to is. I can't believe people are supporting Trump for no other reason than a desire to see him rustle some jimmies.
blackflame7000 10y ago
There is no reasonable choice in this election and the ends don't justify the means. If even 5% of what either of them are are accused of doing is true, it's horrifying. However, the worst part about this election season has by far been the incessant need for bloggers to write articles claiming the moral and intellectual high ground while talking down towards the other side, completely oblivious to the hypocrisy in the words they write.
relics443 10y ago
I was about to scoff at the notion of reading more drivel (regarding the subject, not the content), but I'm happy I didn't. This was well written.

18 points by ikeboy 10y ago

I really hope Trump wins. It will be the biggest smackdown of screaming SJW types (not to mention Buzzfeed) and whiny black-lives-matter-but-only-when-the-killer-is-a-white-police-officer agitators for years.

bzzat 10y ago
Trump will lose. Badly. And it will be precisely because of bigotry, really terrible ideas, irrational anger, and outright ignorance. Exactly like those expressed in your comment.
- candiodari 10y ago
  The financial press is full of these statements. They do, however, often mention just how sure they were about the Brexit vote. Essentially, Trump will win if he can put "normal America" against the 10%. There is a (very) large part of America that is very very much not happy with how things are going. If Trump can be the anti-establishment candidate I am convinced he will win. There's a number of things that could easily happen, for instance, if the establishment were to appear to screw up in the next 3 weeks (a war, a terror attack, a stock market crash, a large bankruptcy, a huge layoff, ...*) Trump would be pretty much assured victory. That seems to be the strategy. Of course, that's never going to get him anywhere on Hacker News. But that doesn't even appear necessary: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N US households have slowly lost living standards since about 2000. The difference in experience for most households since 2000 would be small, until the 2008 crisis happened. Then it was extremely noticable and it still hasn't recovered. This means that there is in fact a basis for a large part of America to be unhappy about how the country's going. 2 comments about this graph: 1) It's an average. Because of outliers at the top, the "normal" experience is really below it, even more so since 2008 because for "the 1%", ie. the top, there was little downward slope, and in fact a constant upward slope since about 2003-2004. This came at the expense of the large majority of the US. 2) it's using PCE deflator inflation statistics, not CPI, which is what is felt by ordinary Americans. PCE deflator is often criticized for being an underestimate of real inflation, so there is an argument you should take out about 0.2% year-on-year starting in 2000. That makes the graph much worse than it already is. I'm not counting Trump out.
dragonwriter 10y ago
Black Lives Master was formed in response to the killing of Trayvon Martin, who's killer was not a "white police officer".
krapp 10y ago
I must have missed the part where Trump promised to round all of the "screaming SJW types" and assorted left-wing strawmen up into camps, or whatever this "smackdown" you're looking forward to is. I can't believe people are supporting Trump for no other reason than a desire to see him rustle some jimmies.

blackflame7000 10y ago

There is no reasonable choice in this election and the ends don't justify the means. If even 5% of what either of them are are accused of doing is true, it's horrifying. However, the worst part about this election season has by far been the incessant need for bloggers to write articles claiming the moral and intellectual high ground while talking down towards the other side, completely oblivious to the hypocrisy in the words they write.

relics443 10y ago

I was about to scoff at the notion of reading more drivel (regarding the subject, not the content), but I'm happy I didn't. This was well written.